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    "ocrText": "Telecon\nHAK/Bill Moyers\n30 Dec 69: 10:00 a. m.\nM: I want to report a couple of things, just between us. Not serious\nat the moment. A friend of mine at dinner in Washington last week\ntold me he had been at a dinner where Clark Clifford was also present.\nSometimes Clark can act on misinformation. Clark got him in the\ncorner and told him the real surprise in this Administration is Mel\nLaird fighting hard for de-escalation, but can't penetrate Kissinger\nand Nixon. I think the way to handle Clark is have lunch with him some\nday and straighten him out.\nK: That Laird is the champion rascal. Never once has Laird made\na\nproposal in either of these directions to us. It seems he goes all over\ntown saying he does, but never once in any sense at all, written, oral\nor by indirection has he made such a proposal.\nM: I would urge you to take that into consideration sometime with him\nand\nThe second comes from a member of the faculty and a friend\nof mine at Harvard at dinner. He had dinner with Stan Hoffman and\nthe same kind of line was being taken by Stanley, not in reference to\nLaird but in reference to thinking that Kissinger is being taken over by\nNixon's view of the world. He said the prolongation of disengagement\nby Henry surprises me. I think he is getting into the same trap that\nWalt Rostow got into. 11 I think you can pull Stanley back. I hope you\ndon't think I am passing on petty gossip. I thought, these are not\ncolumnists they are men that know and respect Henry and he would\nwant to know about it.\nK: Isn't that amazing about Stanley? I saw him about 4 weeks ago and\nasked him to have lunch with me sometime. What these people can't\nunderstand is that it is impossible to set a quick timetable and speed\nup negotiations.\nM: I just wanted to pass this on SO that in your own due time if you have\nthe same discussion with both of these men that you had with me --\nK: I was much more frank with you. MTo both of these people I said,\nyou are really wrong about that. Because I am sure that if there is\nany one man prudently pushing the disengagement processes it is Henry.\nI think if you can have the same kind of discussion with them.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified."
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