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OCR Page 1 of 97/8/53 - Wire III, p. 1
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so I was asked by her father, Justice, to see what I could do with Mrs. Shipley.
Well, that was a tough one because it simply didn't matter in a thing like that. So I got
her on
the buzz box and she answered the thing in a very crytic voice, "How do you do, Mr.
Secretary," or "Hello, Mr. Secretary, and I said, "You made a mistake, Mrs. Shipley, this
is cupid speaking," and she said, "I beg your pardon, " and I said, "otherwise known as the
'flying bow-boy (?):". And she said, "Itm afraid I don't understand." I said, "Mrs.
cold
Shipley, I want to talk about love,' and in this voice, she said, "Have you
been indiscrete, Mr. Secretary?" And then I told her the problem and she was quite in-
trigued by the whole thing at that point and said, "Well, I can give you some useful infor-
mation the young lady that you are interested in has dual citizenship she doesn'
need a passport from me, she can go if her husband will have his passport fixed up to in-
clude his wife
all she needs is an exit permit, and if she applies to me for one, I'll
be glad to give her one."
(laughter)
but you never could have done it, nor
in the light of this case would you do it - this would be a precedent.
is RECORDS SERVICE"
Q
About six months after I took off, I was over in that neighborhood and I dropped
in
to
say
"hello. 11 She'd done a couple of favors. We had a very pleasant little chat and as
I was leaving she said, "I want you to know that I'M awfully happy you dropped in -- you
even
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know so many of these young Assistant Secretarys come and go without meeting them."
You were mentioning earlier of not disposing for purposes of political controversy
the people down the line who had taken part in a particular operation. I think that's a
very important point. Another point of view that was implicit in what you were saying and
that is, unless you operate in that way you don't get the benefit of expert advice in
foreign policy matters. If the people down the line are worried about the domestic political
impact upon a particular power or upon themselves, that begins to bother them. By the
time
it gets to, say, an Assistant Secretary, the foreign policy aspect of it would then be so
clouded over with all sorts of irrelevant matters on most of which they are not experts at
all. You don't know what you are getting down below and so you almost have to tell your
not
people, "Now, you take domestic politics into account/at all. If your recommendations on
foreign policy have to be adjusted, that will be adjusted at the political leval of the
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