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10/11/53 - Reel 7, track 1 - Page 4 (Confused) DR. OPPENHEIMER: They were certainly both pushing you very hard. MR. NITZE: This brings to mind the alternative to the package proposal which was discussed at some length during the month of August inside the US government, and that alternative, as I remember it, was this ppoposal for creating a German police force comparable to the bereitschaften? on the Commie side. That the thing to do was to get going with the German contribution, and to avoid formal problems of the words - get the substance rather than the words. But this ran into all kinds of objections as to - if you started a German police force, or a German army under the name of a police force, how would you ever get it back under control? Wouldn't it eventually develop a high command of its own, and various things of that kind? Wasn't it better to try and integrate this and get it under control, than to start with something which the Germans TRUMAND would have complete control over once the occupation was over? Wasn' t that the substance of the debate on that one, George? Es ADMIN MR. PERKINS: I think that' right. COVERNMENT MR. NITZE: I think we and (S.P.?) were rather on the side of the (bereitschaften) and then were dissuaded. MR. PERKINS: Well, the (truth?) of it was I think the Secretary of State (really was agreed that we were not for?)that solution to the problem at all. MR. NITZE: My recollection is that the British came to this meeting in November with some proposal similar to this bereitschaften one. (indistinct) MR. ACHESON: I think we have got ten minutes before we have to go, and we won't have time to finish the discussion in October which led up to Brussels, so I think if we start with those next time, and try to

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