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Flanigan/Kissinger
2:55 pm
5/20/70
F:
I sent you a memo on the Vatican. They were very concerned. It seems
minor to us.
K: Why were they concerned?
F: That Lodge's mission at the Embassy, there would be a confusion between
issues. They brought that up. That was what we planed but they brought it
up and ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? THEY will take it up with the Holy Father.
Another thing, Vance took a position against us on Cambodia. I told him of
times we stood up for him when others were against him. I said he should
get briefed. How can we brief him?
K: I am sick of him but I will see him for a few minutes. I have tried to
brief him before and never get through. When I thought the VN policy was
a disaster and tried to help them -- for him to go public is a disgrace.
F: I agree. If we can divert him --
K: You can't.
F: Then don't waste your time.
K: I have not seen him in 4 months. I had dinner with him and showed him
highly classified things. He is just out for his own skin.
F: I hate to give up on him but I think his position is inexcuseable.
K: You can't change them. They have to be beaten down. I worked with them
for years and never attacked them publicly.
F: I thought better of Cy.
K: I did too. I'm not surprised by Harriman. I even had McNamara work on
him. It dows no good.
F: He claims he has no political ambitions.
K: That may be.
F: They talk about representing the whole country.
K: Except 65% of the people.
F: If you don't want to do it, I'm sorry I brought it up.
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