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    "ocrText": "TELECON\nThe President\n11/19/71 6:00 p.m.\nP: Did your pretty little secretary tell you that I said it's the first time\nI've ever seen Dr. Kissinger give you some time off.\nK: No.\nP: I told her to tell you that.\nK: I understand it was a tremendous success.\nP: Well it wasn't exactly that. But I think it was an asset. I praised them\non their defense of our Cambodia and Vietnam policy and then took off after them.\nK: I think in terms of Presidential leadership it was a plus.\nP: It may have some good effects, but it had to be done. You can't let\nor any special interest group get away with this.\nK: And the people like to see their President stand up for principles, and\ntheys dontk I wouldn't be surprised if labor felt that way too.\nP: A lot of them do. A lot of them don't like this old man, and they don't\nlike having him calling the head of the price board a dolt and the Secretary of\nLabor a ribbon clerk. So I took him on on China and X Russia. I said a lot of\nthese are looked on as election-year junkets. I said these trips are not about\nthe next election; they are about the next ganeration.\nK: Good.\nP: It's an old line.\nK: But it's true.\nP: I said we have got our differences. But we are not going to achieve\nanything by fighting about them.\nK: I think that is very strong.\nP: I'm still of the same view but you can't.\nK: No, you can't now. Pompidou has accepted for the 13th and 14th.\nP: And Rogers is pleased?\nK: Oh yes. He thinks it's great. I gave him the picture and sent Haig\nover to go over details.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nThe President\n11/19/71 6:00 p.m. p. 2\nP: And on the Latin trip, I've shoved that into the first three days of February.\nK: The or later the better.\nP: But I didn't want to get it toodx close to China because I need that time\nto study. I have 10 days clear before China.\nK: But no less. One reason you couldn't do it over the weekend is because\nPham Van Dong is leaving.\nP: And we can't do it while he's there.\nK: No, it's not possible.\nP: There will be another target.\nK: There are planty in the Penhandle. My recommendation is two weeks from\ntoday, if we haven't heard from them. Actually I consider this trip very interesting;\nfirst that the Chinese gave us warning on it. In effect they gave us a four-day advance XXX\nwarning. I am sending a message to Chou (?) similar to the one I gave the Russians\nyesterday. We had a reaction from Dobrynin -- I laid it to him last night. This morning\nI said the President said \"it's not enough that there will be no offensive action. \"\nAt 5:00 Dbbrynin called me; he had heard from Moscow informing him the North\nVietnamese were preparing a reply to our proposition. If they do it publicly,\nwe can go public, and they can't possible go as far as we have.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nDr. Judd/Kissinger\n6:25 p.m.\n11/19/71\n-2-\nJ: I wondered if he was off base. If he can say I am authorized --\nK: Where can I reach you next week?\nJ: In Washington.\nK: Will you call me Tues. ?\nJ: I will call you from Rochester.\nK: This has been a rough time for you. It is not a source of joy here either.\nNo one deserves it less then the Taiwanese.\nJ: They are victims of other forces.\nK: And disarray (?). We had to have maneuvering room.\nJ: There's a stampede away from them.\nK: After we have been in Peking and they say nothing happening.\nJ: Taiwan we have to take domestic action and Equador breaks relations.\nI thought this would be useful with a minimum of risk and maximum of\n.\nI will call you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelCon)9:25=11/20/71\nMr. Kissinger/\nHugh Sidey\nK:\nHow are you.\nS:\nGood.\nK:\nI am calling you actually against everyone's advice here who knows\nabout these things. I understand that Life is doing a story on my\nsocial life. Is it possible to talk to you about that not getting in the\npapers. There is a girl on the West Coast - Amanda\n(?).\nShe called me last night and said she was being bothered by reports\nand photographers. I was out with her about eight months ago and\nI haven't seen hero since. Why should she be in life as a great\nromancer of mine. I have seen her once. And I feel that Maxine\nCheshire, what she wrote about is really a rewarding crime. I\ndo date some girls but God Damn it I am not a play boy. It is rough\non my children and embarrassing to me, and I don't know what you\nget out of it.\nS:\nI understand. I know nothing about this but let me find out about it.\nK:\nI would like to have this whole thing dropped.\nS:\nI will talk to Healey )and see.\nK:\nIt's alright to joke about it, but it is not the principal activity in which\nI am engaged.\nS:\nLet me find out about it. This is the first I have found out about it. They\nmaybe just trying to get a story together and that is all.\nK:\nXXXX Thanks. That is good.\nS:\nHow was Cincinnate?\nK:\nNice. They are not as sophisticated as the group at the luncheonbut they\nare so\nIt went well and they were interesting. I enjoyed it very\nmuch.\nS:\nYes, I think they appreciate it.\nK:\nYes, they do and I going to try and do it more often.\nS:\nWell, I txlx will find out about this and get back to you.\nK:\nGood. Thanks and I appreciate it.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelCon: 9:40 @ 11/20/71\nMr. Kissinger/\nSecretary Connally\nC:\nHenry\nK:\nMr. Secretary.\nC:\nHow are you?\nK:\nOK\nC:\nAbout 10 o'clock could I get together with you and George Shultz?\nK:\nI have to see the President at 10 o'clock.\nC:\nI will come over there.\nK:\nWhy don't I call you when I am thru with the President.\nC:\nGood.\nK:\nWill you get in touch with George.\nC:\nYes.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelCon:10:45-11/20/71\nMr. Kissinger/\nSecretary Connally\nC:\nYes, Henry.\nK:\nJohn, any time you are ready.\nC:\nI will be right over.\nK:\nI can go over there if you wish.\nC:\nNo, I will be over there and will you call George.\nK:\nYes, I will.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelCon:11:20-11/20/71\nMr. Kissinger/\nAmbassador Watson\nW:\nHello Henry.\nK:\nHow are you. Did you get my message?\nW:\nNo, I didn⁺t get it that is why I called.\nK:\nWe had planned to go ahead with making all three announcementson the\n24th. This is still our strong preference. However, we have this\nsuggestion if you can't sell it.\nW:\nI tried but he is adament about it.\nG-10\nK:\nWe have gone ahead with the 310(? ) meeting on November 30. Now if\nwe make just the announcement of seeing him before the 30th, it will\nlook like we are trying to tear this apart. Our suggestion is the\nFrench on the 24th, the British on the 26th and the Germans on the\n28th or 30th. We have to because one, it might leak\nfor the\nFrench if all the cards are on the table.\nW:\nOK that is terrific.\nK:\nIf they agree with that we can proceed. On the other points, the\nschedule for the first and second days are fine\nto the\nPortuguese. We will send you a rough agenda this weekend. We\nwould like to bring Rogers and Connally for obvious reasons.\nW:\nI think they are (?) cases.\nK:\nIn one case it is essential substantively and the other emotionally.\nThe President will meet with Pompidou separately.\nW:\nHenry, we better speak in a little more code. Yes, fine I got you.\nK:\nIn other words we want the maximum head-to-head meetings. The\nothers will meet with their counterparts.\nW:\nOK. Very good, I will do my best. The man I talked to this morning,\nhis boss is out of town but I am sure I can get in touch with him.\nK:\nOK.\nW:\nI will get your IIII essage very soon.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n:\n$ 2 -\nK:\nNo, I have it here on my desk - I have just discovered. But we will\nsend it now and you may use it as guidance.\nW:\nFine but send it right away and make it Immediate.\nK:\nYes, I'll do that - send it Immediate.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelCon:11:36-11/20/71\nMr. Kissinger/\nAmbassador Watson\nW:\nI can't get an OK on the suggested dates until Monday morning. I\ngave him the reason. He said he just couldn't commit himself and\nhe can't get in touch with him. Seems to be preferable with the\ntwo day span.\nK:\nWe will send you the cable which will be your guidance. Can you call\nus on Monday morning.\nW:\nWhat time your time.\nK:\n7 o'clock monday morning.\nW:\n7 o'clock Washington time?\nK:\nYes.\nW:\nOK.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Bogdan/Kissinger\n10:20 a. m.\n11/22/71\nB: I am in NY.\nK: You are coming back to see --\nB:\nat 3:00.\nK: The President asked me to call you to give you detail on what Allen wants to\nsee you about and to tell you that we have decided to extend ExIm Bank\nfacilities to Romania and make MFN availabe for Romania if we can work out\nthe bond issue. You said you would do that.\nB: Yes.\nK: Don't tell Allen I told you this when you meet him. The President asked\nme to convey to you that this is to confirm to your president the bond between\nour people.\nB: I don't have to meet with you?\nK: No. You will see Allen.\nB: I am grateful for this communication and the President will be delighted.\nK: Convey to your President that this is a sign of the contact of the two\nPresidents.\nB: I haven't received word from State.\nK: It's unbelievable. I know we are backing Jacobsen. I will get you an\nanswer in 48 hours.\nB: thank you very much.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmb. Raza\n11/22/71 12:00 noon\nR: On Sunday I tried to get you but you were out. On Saturday I was out racing.\nK: Racing? !\nR: I had gone to the race course.\nK: I wanted to tell you on behalf of the President that we think the Xh Chinese\nstatement on F\nwas something in which we had a little suggestion ao make\nand we are in touch with the Chinese on your problems.\nR: Good.\nK: I have just seen a report from Karachi\nannouncement Indian\nfull-scale attack. That can't be true.\nR:\nThis is from the BBC. Then Secre-\n.\ntary Connally's press conference/interrupted was to announce that war had broken\nout between India and Pakistan. They said there would be details after the press\nconference.\nK: Is that true?\nR: I don't know. This is all I have heard.\njust telephoned me\nto ask if there was anything going on.\nin the UN and they wanted\nto know about it,\nK: Will you let me know as soon as possible if you hear anything from\nPakistan because if it is true we'll tallxxx take a tough line on it.\nR: I am now busy trying to get the news. If I hear any more I will keep you\ninformed.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRogers/Kissinger\n12:27 p.m. 11/22/71\nR: I want to talk cryptically but any progress on that - -\nK: I should have called Friday. I didn't go because the guy supposedly got\nill and they wanted the other guy and the President thought no point in doing\nthat. We have some intelligence reports from Hanoi that the guy is ill but\nwhether genuine or not we told them it is upen and when he recovers they\nshould keep in touch.\nR: I got wind of it. A1 said something about your being.here.\nK: I meant to call you.\nR: That's all right. Al suggested it on the phone. 1\nK: That's what I thought.\nR: On India/Pakistan thing we haven't dot the direct word. I thought the\neditorial in Times was good saying the bee is on the UN and if we could keep\nit in that framworkd it is better.\nK: I have called a WSAG for the facts. No decision will be made at the meeting\nand if any decision is contemplated we will get you and Laird over here.\nR: How are his spirits?\nK: Poor Sat. morning but he helped himself with this.\nR: He doesn't like this. For the President to be mistreated so.\nin\nK: He isxrot good shape today.\nR: These visits are good. Strenuous but good.\nK: He is planning to take you and Connally on allof them. He thinks it's good\nfor Connally to see what political impact of moves is.\nR: I had a good lunch meeting with Connally. You learn from quietly meeting\nrather then pushing.\nK: A negotiation has to be (alone on conviction?). On textile ?????\n.\nEven there I don't know if the price was worth it. But on this they will just\nwait for an opportunity to get even.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nThe President\n11/22/71 12:45 p.m.\nP: What's happeneing in India-Pakistan?\nK: The Indians have now denied it, and said they are confusing\nP: What do the Paks say?\nK: Their communication is bad. There is no doubt there is a large\nencroachment taking place and it is heavily backed by the Indians.\nP: They are probably trying to do it without getting cut off. I want you to\nlay it out hard that I have made a determination that all aid to both sides stops.\nCut it to both India and Pakistan.\nK: We haven't completely cut it to Pakistan yet. That might put them\nover the brink.\nP: But won't it hurt the Indians more?\nK: That's a determination I can make for you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Watson/Kissinger\n2:17 p.m.\n11/22/71\nW: I am sorry to bother you. This is Dick again. I have a problem and has\nnothing to do with our previous conversation. Are you aware of the Delaware\nDrug case in NewarK?\nK: In the roughest way.\nW: I have just gotten an AP bulletin.\nK: Where we accuse somone?\nW: This quotes Sterns letter to the examining judge in Paris and on\nNov. 5 the Deputy assured Stern that the ? ? ? ? was Fornier. Stern\nreleased this letter to the press. It's the most damaging on the part of\nStern. Since the meetinb between Stern and the Deputy was arranged by me\nat the Residence and is a priveliged matter this is a breach of faith and\nthe Deputy Director says he will sue Stern.\nK: Let me see what we can do.\nW: Shall I call John Mitchell?\nK: I will talk with him. There is nothing you x can add.\nW: I made the point of getting Sterns over here so he can get infor mation\nand tell the French what he knew xxx and now he is irresponsible and I have\ntried to lett the judicial authorities handle this. And with everything we have\ngoing this makes me sick. Maybe a letter from John to Marshland.\nK: Call Mitchell and I will get after it.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAtty. G en/Kissinger\n2:28 p.m. 11/22/71\nAG: I just had a call from Dick Watson.\nK: He called me and since I don't understand the case I told him to call you.\nAG: He mentioned backchannel wire.\nK: We are meeting Pompidou on the 15th and 16th.\nAG: Over there?\nK: In the Azores and don't want to rock the boat.\nA : That's the substance?\nK: Right.\nAG: I will turn this character off and get in touch with Marcellon (?) and put\noil on the water.\nK: Good. We have Golda Meir tied down.\nAG: Going ahead with the request?\nK: In a complicated way.\nAG: The State Dept. won't screw it up?\nK: I don't think so. You mentioned a meeting in Los Angeles. You will let\nme know?\nAG: I will structure it and let you know through Haldeman because he will be\nout there.\nK: Just let me know ahead of time.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Raza/Kissinger\n3:23 p.m.\n11/22/71\nR: We have received no telegram from the Foregn Office yet but the High\nCommissioner in London got in touch and following each one. The\nhas started in the\narea about 3:00 yesterday. 9th division and second\ntank regiment and\nin front of them. Mig aircraft XXXXXXXX\nover Chittagong,\nIndia withdrawn two divisions from\n,\n.\nChina border and Nagaya. For the moment\ndivisions are pointing after\nPakistan. Also not sometimes to move Security Council until they have received their\ntelegram because ********** on the telephone things go wrong. A little more.\nAccording to India the\nare advancing in East Pakistan.\nK: If at all possible I would appreciate it if you would hold off going to the\nSecurity Council until Wed. I am meeting -- but strictly for you -- the Chinese\nsecretly tomorrow. No one knows this. I would like to see what they intend\nto do.\nR: Could I tell this to my permanent representative?\nK: No.\nR: All right. I have it. I will say try to postpone until Wed. if possible.\nK: If not, go ahead because nothing will happen first today.\nR: Shall I informe my government?\nK: I will inform through my channel. But I am counting on you. This is secret.\nR: No one will know. Now no one can say that we are preparing to attack them.\nK: Do you know that Indian troops have crossed the border?\nR: I think they have. When the telegram comes I will call you.\nK: Have a memo of the pertinent facts and send it over.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Rogers\n11/22/71 3:30 p.m.\nK: I wanted to tell you we had a message proceeding recent events from\nXXXX on the Pakistan situation which I sent to you. In effect it says the same\nthing they said publicly on Friday. It may be a nuance more sharply. I think\nit has to affect whatever strategy we pursue at the UN.\nR: I will get on it right away. I have to get rid of a few people and then\nI will get back to you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Bush/Kissinger\n3:47 p.m.\n11/22/71\nK: You have anyone on this phone?\nB: Would you rather me call you on the green one?\nK: I don't know what it is.\nB: It's a secure phone.\nK: The appointment we discussed is set for tomorrow evening at 10:00. I would\nlike to see you before that.\nB: We could have you come over. Let me see what's lowest profile.\nK: I would like to get a feel from xk you what issues require urgent discussion.\nBut I hate to do it 5 minutes before I see them.\nB: The French Ambassador just left this office and he had two hour talk with\nthem and the main thing they discussed was disarmament.\nK: We have an India-Pakistan problem.\nB: You know them on that. The Secy. General was one and on the M.E. they\nsaid they would not want to get involved on that.\nK: What business before the UN that even if they don't want to get involved will\ninvolve them?\nB: Pakistan-India. Finance. Not so important but important to other UN --\nK: The President is calling.\nK: Question is when we can get together. Are you free tonight?\nB: I will be here. I have a touch of the bxlxx flu. I cancelled a trip to Boston.\nI can meet you up here if you want.\nK: You couldn't come down?\nB: I am very weak. We have a Security Council in the afternoon and the\nfirst time they have come to that so I should be there. A reception by them\nafter.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nBush/Kissinger\n3:47 p.m. 11/22/71\n-2-\nK: If we cannot meet there is no sense in you going along.\nB: We can meet but case of whether 7:00 or 8:00 or SO is all right.\nK: I have to go to the President now. I will call you in the morning.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSisco/Kissinger\n5:47\np.m.\n11/22/71\nS: I want to explain something about the messages so you will know what I\nhave done. We are in the box. We don't want to get into a creditibility gap.\nObviously\nbut pattern of the last several days but no assumption of\nwhat is or is not the case.\nK: The President wants to make - they have a catalogue of what we have\nproposed and then WE say it's unfortunate that it's unfortunate that as we haven't\nlet it be played out - -\nS: I didn't get that. It's not in this message at all.\nK: The thing I find so hard to understand why we don't get the basic tilt of\nPrisident straight which isn't to\nto Pakistan.\nS: We have the straight but these meetings we are having -- you don't\nundersrand how intimidating you sound. You don't have to threaten us or\nintimidate us. We are trying to do the job. You will scare the hell out of\nso many people in this building that no one will give you the information you\nshould hear. Not me. I am not one of these but I am telling you. You are\na good professor and teacher but don't cut off your sources of information.\nK: My job is to get the President's wants.\nS: You are getting through. We have a responsibility also to say to you this is\nthe way we read it. We know what the President wants. To make us feel that\nwe are not doing what the President wants done it's developing in that room.\nAnd you should be aware of it. Let me catch the telegram.\nK: That's the whole point of the telegrma.\nS: This paragraph will improve it. It's a good telegram but this will improve it.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Rogers\n11/22/71 6:25 p.m.\nR: I have looked at this XX telegram the President wants to send. They\nwill be over shortly. I think we ought to delay sending It till we have got a con-\nfirmation. So if we have only Pak radio reports\nK: Okay. Why don't we wait until tomorrow morning.\nR: I think that's better. I think we'll find there is confirmation, but so far\nwe haven't. We ought to be able to say we have independent oonfirmation.\nK: If we can have them over here and ready to go in the morning.\nR: Okay. I feel sure we'll have some confirmation. It's amazing that\nit's held this long.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Connally\n11/22/71 6:30 p.m.\nK: I saw you on TV and I share my friends' views.\nC: What are they?\nK: They haxex say you took on George Meany and they were still wiping\nhim off the floor with him when they cut to another.\nC: I thought it was good. Understand he was furious. God damn him.\nAny time he insults the President like he did I will do it again.\nK: And we would be better off if this were the general posture of the Administration\nC: Let me tell you something. We can't settle trade issues and burden\nsharing in the next 30 or 60 days. Why don't we revise our position.\n.r.\nK: That might be better.\nC: It's better politically for us.\nK: My judgment is that the Germans will not go above 6 percent revaluation.\nSo in the next yound you'll still be faced with this. You could still make a proposal\nyou are thinking of and as a compromise come back with another.\nC: We are going to start negotiating here at the end of the month.\nK: In my view it's politically easier for these ministers.\nC:\nThis is where the domestic political payoff is.\nK: My instinct is it is easier to sell to the French and would avoid the\nGerman problem. But we still have a tactical problem\nand both sides\nanyway. Either way as an outcomeit's more plausible\nthan the one we talked about and may be better for us.\nC: What we need domestically at least for the mid-west if we could crack\nagricultuar and help get the mid-west which the President will have to carry\nxxixx it would be a tremendous help it seems to me.\nK: And would give us a better negotiating position.\nC: I think so foo.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nChancellor Brandt/Mr. Kissinger\n9:51 a. m., November 23, 1971\nK:\nMr. Chancellor.\nB:\nYes. The reason why I am calling is we have the Foreign\nMinister of Pakistan here and also an announcement of a new message\nfrom his President. We are worried about what is going on in that\nregion. I want to ask before I give him any advice what is the U.S.\nposition on the UN and the Security Council.\nK:\nWe have just had, Mr. Chancellor, a meeting on the subject.\nStrictly for your information, we are asking our Embassies in New\nDelhi and Islamabad what they think the reaction would be in those\ntwo countries of a Security Council meeting, and we would also like\nto take some soundings with other countries. If it goes to the Security\nCouncil, we will recommend that all parties should stop military\noperations and should also work for the possibility of the return of\nrefugees -- which is a delicate way of talking about a political settlement.\nThat would be our approach. We will wait for another 24 hours to see\nwhat the Chinese will say at the Security Council today at their first\nmeeting.\nB:\nThis is good to hear. I hope it will not develop into a serious\ncrisis.\nK:\nWe will do our best to keep the situation from becoming more\ninflamed. It might not hurt if some of our friends would tell the\nIndians\nwe are telling them that while we have enormous sympathy\nfor the refugee problem, a resort to military force would not be\nunderstood in this country.\nB:\nWe might tell them something along the same\nM\nlines.\nK:\nThat would be very helpful.\nB:\nThank you very much. Give my regards to your President.\nK:\nAt the moment he can't be reached. Otherwise, he would have\nbeen eager to talk to you. We look forward very much to seeing you\nat the end of December.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPeterson/Kissinger\n10:22 a.m.\n11/23/71\nP: I have missed you. How's everything?\nK: OK.\nP: Let me tell you what I am calling about. I am going to Europe the first\nwekk in December. Briefing ambassadors and foreign governments. I am\nplanning to talk to economic people in each government. The economic minister\nand finance minister. I know\nin France. Do you know Jean, the\npress chief? You probably know. He has raised my seeing Pompidou. Al\nseemed reluctant. The same thing has come up in Germany. They say the\nPM would like to talk about the economic situation.\nK: When are you going?\nP: I don't want to screw you up. The fisst week in December.\nK: The President is planning to meet with them the first of next month and I\ndon't hex think he tvants someone else talking or not. You mgith also have\ntrouble with Connally on this. It doesn't bother me.\nP: Can you check it out? He is planning it now.\nK: Who?\nP: A guy on my staff setting up appointments.\nK: Shall I ask the President?\nP: If you could. I didn 't raise it. On each case they say don't you want to see\nthe PM.\nK: Say no, you hate being bored.\nP: I wanted to check with you.\nK: Tell them after you have seen Kissinger, PMs are a letdown.\nP: SOB! Will you mention this to the President?\nK: I will mentioned it to the President to see how in the comples relationship\nwith Connally they will feel.\nP: Can you tell me about the meeting with Connally? Did you just meet with him?\nK: I was invited and then disinvited. He is now meeting alone with him. Let's\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPeterson/Kissinger\n10:22 a. m.\n11/23/71\n-2-\nyou and I have a rump meeting and have a vote.\nP: An equal vote?\nK: The President can't vote because he is the Chairman.\nP: You and I think alike on this. Can you let me know about this today?\nK: I will try.\nP: In each case they brought it up. We didn't.\nK: It shows what a big name you are.\nP: I know. I agree.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRogers/Kissinger\n10:55 a.m.\n11/23/71\nK: I just wanted to tell you we had a call here from Brandt to the Presidre t\nwhech we thought concerned the meeting. But the President doesn't want to\ntalk because doesn't want to get inovlved in scheduling of announcements. But\nit was about India/Pakistan. He asked what tixex x the attitude would be. I will sen(\nyou a memo. I said we will ask for restraint. He asked about the UN and I\nsaid if it went to the UN we would urge rend of military operations and opportunity\nfor refugees to return. Drawn from the cable.\nR: Can't beat that. What is he going to do?\nK: He agreed with that. I said it wouldn't hurt that people who are friendly\nwith India that military action would be hard to understand and he said he would\nand that they would urge restraint on Pakistan.\nR: If it continues to build and I think it will then exhortations will not help\nand the UN is the only way out.\nK: Let's not get ourselves that means Pakistan will get raped.\nR: They will if the fighting doesn't stop.\nK: India is outrageous.\nR: I think in the UN Pakistan will come out better then India and Pakistan\nhas no other way out.\nK: I am NOX in favor of going to the UN if it continues another day.\nR: We don't do it.\nK: No someone else.\nR: I think we have pashed positioned ourselves well. We have asked restraint\non both sides and humanitarian assistence. Yahya's position is more tenable\nthen Mrs. Gandhi. She deesn't want UN or observers or a representative\ngroup. Yahya does. So he has quite an advantage and I see kxxxx no way out\nfor him but that.\nK: It's part of the Soviet strategy to humiliate the country that helped the UN\nand China.\nR: And it looks like they will succeed.\nK: I think we should cut off military pipe line.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nRogers/Kissinger\n10:55 a. m.\n11/23/71\n-2-\nR: It's not substantial. The principle reason it continues is the intelligence\nfacilities we thought it was important. ?722?? over a period of time.\nIf we dixex decide it's of no consequence we will break ties with India. No\nmilitary significance. If we do it it xix will get attention. On ammunition and\nsuch we should but our radar equipment I think we should wait.\nK: I don't have a staff paper. Could we get recommendations?\nR: It's so small it doesn't have significance except symbolic. I think we should\nbe sure to stay out of it. Get someone else to stop fighting and its going on in\n3 places now and fairly substantial. Brandt going to talk with the President?\nK: No. I think he did it as a grandstand play. Hex I wasn't prepared for this\nsubject. I thought he would bitch about the separate announcement.\nR: Have you talked with the German Ambassador?\nK: No.\nR: Maybe I should call him in and say Brzndt called the President and touch\nbase with him.\nK: I think there's a shade of difference between State's and the President's\nview. He would like to tilt towards Pakistan and not India and your people\ngo the other way.\nR: I don't see that. I don't think it's right. Does he think that?\nK: No because I didn't go into it with him. He wants tough cables to go out.\nI haven't gone into that because it's not my job to make difficulties. Buthe\ntold them in a WSAG meeting 3 months ago what he thought.\nK: We all favor Peking but we have to be realistic and Pakistan will be\nleaked unless big powers go in.\nK: Question all along -- we are lax if we tell India xxixx we will give anything\nwhich\nor if we give humanitarian or they want military things.\nR: They don't rely on us for military things.\nK: No but ? ? ? ? .\nR: Is that what the President wants?\nK: No, not for a couple of days.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nRogers/Kissinger\n10:55 a.m.\n11/23/71\n-3-\nR: I don't think it serves the Presidentxik well. I don't think we should say\nthe President wants us to kick India.\nK: If one is asked what to do then one says release Mujib. That's what India\nwants.\nR: Who said that? Did we?\nK: I don't want to go into it. It's a speech that was made yesterday.\nR: It's not what we have urged.\nK: I thought this morning we were together. No disagreement this morning.\nR: I think we should talk with the President about it. If there's any difference\nof opinion then he should know about it but I don't think so.\nK: I think we are substantially in accord. It's a question of X nuance and if ? ? ?\nits desmanding telling India to go ahead.\nit\nR: I don't think we should try to settle the politically or militarily. We can\ncut off economic assistance to India but at the moment I don't think so. Perhaps\nnext week.\nK: It shouldn't be done until after the extent of fighting is known.\nR: I think perhaps we should ge together with the President SO he knows what\nmy position is. I will call the President.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nDr. Judd/Kissinger\n4:42 p.m.\n11/23/71\nJ: I wondered how you came out on that matter.\nK: I have a call in to Robert Anderson who I have not been able to reach yet.\nJ: It's Robt. E, who used to be in Treasury.\nK: Oh, I have the wrong one. I will call him now.\nJ: He is willing if someone else\nK: I also asked if he objected to the Vice President and he said no.\nJ: I put in a call to him. I talked with Mr. Damguard over there. He said the\nschedule is full. I thought he should be sure everything is satisfactory all\naround.\nK: That's where we stand.\nJ: If the V. P. can't do it could I ask Geo. Bush to do it? I asked him earlier\nabout the dinner but not about asking him to speak.\nK: Human courtesies are inmportant in this situation.\nJ: It means a lot to the people who got such a blow. Help morale and see that\nstories that the U.S. didn't want to keep their membership are not true.\nK: Absolutely.\nJ: If the VP is there it wouldn't be just a friendship but a policy of support for\nthem.\nK: I hope to see you sometime. It's painful that for those who thought of me as\na xxx supporter find me doing things tha they don't like. What you do is important.\nJ: I think so. I made my peace in the UN and if it was another decidision decision,\nI went along. But I have an intellectual feeling that the positive will outweight\nthe negative of this.\nwe face\nK: Expulsion of Taiwan. The problem is the Peking trip. What NEXXXXX there.\nSometime I will talk about it. The media is dominated by liberals.\nJ: Peking radio has broadcase the nature of the struggle going on there. Twise\nthey are saying the President coming to surrender. People are afraid that its\ntrue. Make concessions or come home empty handed and that's not good for the\ncountry. They don't hestate as their man said that nothing can help our liberating\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nDr. Judd/Kissiner\n4:42 p.m.\n11/23/71\n-2-\nTaiwan. They would respect us more if we were forthright in saying we will\nnot do this at expense of our friends.\nK: In my meetings with them and in the President's forthcoming meetings they\nwill be under no misapprehension.\nJ: They are smart and if theyfeel as Edgar Snow said in Life that presents\nhave been brought to them before but never before the leader of the biggest country\nhas visited there. They will have effect on our leadership. The President is\nNXXXX in a box and we need to support him. In citizens groups I am trying to\nsupport him. It strnegthens his hand to say that there is pressure in this\ncountry not to conceed. They say I am working against the Administration.\nK: We need opponeents like you. Rather you then some of our friends.\nJ: Because they will not be on your side no matter what.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nNIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS PROJECT\nDOCUMENT CONTROL RECORD\nITEM REMOVED FROM THIS FILE FOLDER\nSANITIZED\nA RESTRICTED DOCUMENT OR CASE FILE HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM\nTHIS FILE FOLDER. FOR A DESCRIPTION OF THE ITEM REMOVED\nAND THE REASON FOR ITS REMOVAL, CONSULT DOCUMENT ENTRY\nNUMBER\n/\nON EITHER THE DOCUMENT WITHDRAWAL RECORD\n(GSA FORM 7292 OR NA FORM 1421) OR NARA WITHDRAWAL SHEET\n(GSA FORM 7122) LOCATED IN THE FRONT OF THIS FILE FOLDER.\nA sanitized copy substituted for an original item which\nContains information restricted under the Privacy Act.\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION\nNLN FORM 101 (revised 6-85)\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nHerb Schbsser\n11/23/71 4:50pm\nS: Your whole department\nthe kind of young people you have; I was\nvery impressed. Do you have any evening free here for dinner?\nK: Let me see. Can I call you Thursday morning?\nS: Sure. My home phone is\nSANITIZED\noffice, 213/845-7000 and they\nalways know where I am.\nK: I might be able to Monday or Tuesday night. I know I can't do it\nbefore then because I will have my children with me.\nS: Well either way. I would like to invite Joyce and Doug\nK: Good. I love them.\nS: Henry, I am convinced that piece of film you showed me will have some\nhistoric importance. You bhould have a duplicate. You could have it transferred\nto electric tape with little loss of clarity, or have a duplicate of the print made.\nYou should have that done though. The Signal Corps could probably do it,\nor we could do it.\nK: If you did it, could it be kept secret?\nS: There is always the danger that the people who did the actual recording\nwould see it and might make a copy of it for themselves. I have to tell you that.\nYou don't want to release it at this point?\nK: I would like to check on it.\nS: I think any network would love to have it. It shows a historic moment\nadd it has a style and quality to it. Maybe we can talk about it. But I think it\nshould be preserved.\nK: I would like to get it done. Let me find out if the Signal Corps can\ndo it and if not I' 11 give it to you.\nI'll call you Thursday morning.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Rogers\n11/23/71 5:17 p.m.\nK: I just talked to the President for two minutes between meetings.\nHe is wondering whether we three can meet at noon tomorrow. I don't think\nthere's any difference on this but if the three of us could get together it would\nbe good.\nR: That's what I suggested to Bull.\nK: Well he's taking credit now; do you mind?\nR: No, give him all the credit he can get. The poor devil; he deserves it.\nK: All right; we'll meet at noon tomorrow.\nR: Good.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmbassador Raza\n11/23/71 5:40 p.m.\nR: Is it possible for me to see you some time.\nK: I am not available tonight. How about tomorrow?\nR: Any time to suit you.\nK: I will have to call you in the morning. I am going away but I will see\nyou before I go.\nR: I am free any time except I have to go out at 9:00 tonight.\nK: Where?\nR: Where? !\nK: Oh no, I didn't mean that. It's none of my business where. I will talk\nto you tomorrow; let's aim for 2:30.\nR: Okay, and I will now tell you what I am doing: I am seeing the press.\nK: I would focus on Indian military aggression and Pakistani reasonableness.\nXX\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified."
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