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    "ocrText": "TELCON\nTom Jarriel/Mr. Kissinger\n12:59 p.m., September 29, 1972\nJ:\nHello, Henry. Tom Jarriell, how are you?\nK:\nOkay.\nJ:\nAll of the talk and the flurry of rumor and so forth, I was just sitting\naround trying to get a perspective again on the talks. know you can't\ngo into any of the substance at all. I was wondering if you could give me\nany background information on whether or not things may have changed\nsubstantially from the last public briefing you gave.\nK:\nYou know, with all due respect, everybody interpreted my last public\nbriefing to say that there was no progress.\nJ:\nWell, I thought that it was slightly ambigious in that you said that they\ndid seem to be serious, which would indicate progress.\nK:\nYou know, the talks have been going along the course they have been\ntaking, ah, the Press Office writes there is a tremendous break somewhere\nalong the line and --it's an extremely complex topic and it's not going to be\nsettled that way. There won't be a day where I walk in and table something\nor they walk in and table something and we then say okay, now that does it\nJ:\nRight, it's got to work much longer and much more involved than that--\nHK:\nThese issues are tremendously complex. We've got armed forces scattered\nIndo-\nall over the country--you'v got them all over China, you've got people who\nhave been fighting each other for 25 years and if you get serious you face a\nlot of details.\nJ:\nRight. The remark you made earlier though, in your last session that the\nother side is serious and--means just that though--it doesn't mean--\nH:\nI think the talks - - there are serious talks going on -- none of this is for\nattribution.\nJ:\nOf course. that's fine. Is this\nHK: Kfxthis was implicit in what I said last time already.\nJ:\nRight. One think that I heard last time that stuck with me was that when the\nother side decides they can't wim militar ily, then perhaps they will see\nit's time to negotiate- notv that to me indicates that the other side still does"
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