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Page 2 the time or whether there is ever a time--you know, to turn everything in to a test of whether there can be--ah, ah--- of this sort, but we can attempt it for a while and see what happens. ER: Well, I don't want to percipitate a test of strength on whose function or perrogative it is to deal with the issue in a given way--and this seemed to me simply a good way of handling it. If you want to--if the President wants to specifically request that I handke it in any other way, I will do it. HK: Well, he'll have to assume that when I transmit something, it is a Presidential request. Now we can try a few times whether I am wrong in this, and then we'll have it established. I don't do it unless I am sure of Presidential backing. I have no interest in I have no candidate of my own. ER: Well, ah I;11 think about that over night and get back to you. What I was calling about is SALT and the fact that XUNX delegation is here, particularly Alex for a little while and reviewing the record of the negotiations in Vienna and the hearing from a summary of the overall Soviet position, it seems to me that we have a good opportunity at this stage to brief key people in the Congress on how things stand and the relatively hard line the Soviets have taken, in terms of seeking to get us to cease issue what we are doing without talking seriously about-- HK: You mean after Congress gets back. ER: Yeh, it would be only before the delegation goes back a couple of days next week, that I feel if we get at it now, we could set up at least one session that Alex could brief people. HK: Like who? ER: The Chairman and ranking members of the Foreign Relatinns and Arms Service Committees. HK: I don't know how much we want to trigger Jackson right now into another assault, but let me do this--I have to see Johnson and I would also like to have a meeting of the Verification Panel, and then we can decide at the end of this week when the President is back. ER: Okay. Say is it - we are at a critical stage with respect to congressional support for the Trident and the B-1 - particularly as well as various R&D efforts that are in the budget and all of which-- HK: I basically think it is a good idea. ER: Their line is so tough

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