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    "ocrText": "PERSONAL\nDistrict Attorney Jim Garrison\n18062 Bluesàil Dr.\nOffice of the District Attorney\nPacific Palisades,\nOrleans Parish\nCalifornia\n2700 TulaneeBlvd.\nNew Orleans, Louisiana\nNovember 28, 1967\nDear Jim,\nAs I am sure you will see from the enclosed picture,\nthe trip to Dallas was successful.\nOn the eve of the most obvious indication of panic in\nWashington, MeNamara's hasty departure, I feel we are coming closer\nto the end of our search. Some of the critics are weary and familiar-\nity with the ruthless hand of the \"Ministry of Truth\" has brought them\nto an uncomfortable impasse with action. I am sure now that they look\nto your able leadership to reunite them with the most pressing work\nat hand.\nThese are not idle words. I am, inaa sense, repeating my\nfeelings which resulted from a discussion with Maggie. She is ex-\ntremely depressed for several reasons, among them the poor showing\nat the party in your honor and the way critics have been, in some\ncases, disunified at the time when their unbroken support is needed\nmost -- to back your investigation. Her greatest dissapointment is\nthat publishers across the nation send her letters praising her book\nas the definitive work on the case and in the same paragraph they\ntell her how it is impossible for their company to \"do\" her book at\nthe present time. Obviously, her book suggests more than the inaccur-\nacies of the Warren Report, it goes beyond that to what people have\ngreat fears about knowing, and shows that there are people walking\naround freely today who could be arrested and convicted for conspir-\nacy.\nBefore I go into the facts of my findings in Dallas let\nme, respectfully, pass on to you a suggestion which I believe could\nincrease the effectiveness of the critics as a group and enhance\nthe progress of the investigation. This is not my own idea, I must\nadmit but a kind of consensus which no one has ever put into words.\nI feel that if this idea could be put into action it would cut out\nsome of the time consumed in problems of personality and communications\nwhich should not hamper such a small staff of such great importance.\nI think that the critics are a most important group of courageous\npeople, as I know you do, and I feel that if there is disunity among\nthem it should be given some attention. Your time is taxed and exhaust-\ned as if you were the entire faculty of a University but you are one\nman and we must try to avoid every minute of time wasted. You have\ncarried this investigation so strongly on your shoulders that it\nseems to me you must anticipate and avoid future problems that will\ndo nothing but take up time in an unproductive. way.\n-2-\nIt would seem to be a strengthening proposal if it\nwere possible to plan with the critics for future action. A\nway in which the involvement of the individual critics in research\nprojects would be as effortlessly acquired as the assignments you\ngave Maggie while you were here. The creation of a práctical, private\nand efficient form of communication between individuals and your\noffice and from your office to them is almost a necessity at this\npoint. Such a communication system would cement relations between\ncritics and reunite them in their new projects. I realize how totally\nyou have utilized their important research in all of your work but\nit seems now that we must plan for an easier channel of communication\nfor the future which promises to require the greatest efficiency.\nNow the report on my findings in Dallas and other points.\n1) I was always the greatest skeptic on the possibiltity\nConclude\nof the storm sewer. Not because I didn't believe in its\nobvious possibilities but since I was setting out to prove\nPossibly\nor disprove it, I thought I should be most questioning. I\nThe\nnow believe, without reservation, that it was possible for\nFatal\nthe storm sewer to have been used in the murder of President\nShot\nKennedy. I also believe that there is a strong possibility\nthat the fatal shot was fired from this position.\na: the enclosed picture shows that the view from the storm\ndrain includes the position of President Kennedy at the\nEnclosed\ntime his convertilbe limousine passed in front of it on\nPhoto\nElm St. Note that'the person in the back seat is visible\nfrom the shoulder up and is forward and to the center of\nthe back seat. I can attest to that as I was the one in\nPerson can\nthe back seat. I will make other supportive photographs\nFit in Drain\nand film to prove my point. (See P.S.) The cavern area\nCavern\nbelow the inlet entrance is a comfortable space for one\nperson (only.)\ntwo seconds b; a car passing in front of the opening of this drain,\nin Sight\nat approxiamately 11 m.p.h. is seen for approx. two\nseconds. Time enoughto aim carefully and fire with a\nrifle or other type of short range weapon.\nPresident's C: The head of the President would have been plainly\nHead\nvisible throughout this two seconds. While that may\nPlainly\nseem a short period of time, the fact that none of the\nVisible\nassassins had more than six seconds should add to the\npossibility that from the storm sewer at a short dis-\ntance of twenty feet or so, it was not a difficult shot.\nd: Photographs taken from the car of a person inside the\nMan in\nsewer and others taken from the south side of Elm St.\nSewer\nshow how a man in the opening would be ever so slightly\nHidden\nvisible to people as close as the witnesses on the south\nFrom\nside of that street. Even agent Kellerman would have had\nStreet\na difficult time seeing anyone in the sewer opening as\nWitnesses\nthe shadow cast by the roof of the cavern would place the\npotential assassin in darkness to his angle of view.\n-3-\nPresident's\ne: Film taken from the car will show the view\nP.O.V.\nthe President's position looking toward the\nstorm drain opening.\nPresident\nf: Film taken from the storm drain of a convertible\nin\nwith passengers in the same positions as President\nview\nKennedy, Jackie, Agent Kellerman*and Agent Greer*\n(Driver) will show that for that period of two\nseconds the President's head was extremely visible.\nI have also made film of this in slow motion for\nmore careful examination.\nEntrance\ng: Entrance and Exitttoc and from the drain could\nand\nhave been accomplished as easily by the potential\nExit\nassassin as it was when I entered the storm drain\nmyself on November 22, 1967. I would conjecture that\nit would have probably been easier for an assassin\nthan it was for me considering what we know now about\nthe case (ie. the Dallas Police.) If there is any\ndoubt I have photographs showing the speedy departure\nof my assistant from the drain. At 6:30 A.M. on a\nday when there was to be much activity in the Plaza\n(the Thanksgiving day Memorial program for the late\nmurdered President) there was little or no traffic\nin the Plaza until after 7:30 A.M. when the first\npatrol car slithered down Elm street under the Triple\nunderpass. By that time we had finished all of our\nwork with the storm drain and were taking some more\ntourist-like photos.\nBreathing\nh: There would be no need for any oxygen equipment in\nthe space of the cavern. If the assassin desired to\nmove further under the Plaza, as would have been\npossible for a rather small built man, he would have\nneeded, in my opinion, some additional breathing\nequipment. The small size of the pipe (15\") would\npositively preclude the conventional type of tank\nequipment used by divers. The pipe of 15\" leads\nfrom the inlet on the North side of Elm St. under\nthe street in a southerly direction toward Main St.\nand then joins an 18\" pipe (after an extention of\n30 feet or so) and finally enters a \"storm drain\"\nof pipe with a diameter or 30\" or 39\". This means\nthat an assassin could crawl through the 30 feet of\n15\" pipe without the aid of any breathing equipment\nand upon reaching the larger diameter pipe of 30\",\nbegin using an oxygen tank which he had previously\n* The car we used in our experiments was not as long as the President-\nial limousine. It had no other similarity to the Presidential Lincoln\nother than being a convertilbe so Greer and Kellerman would have been\nin different positions.\n** See Post Script at the end of this letter\n-4-\nplaced there. (See attached diagram of subterranean\nprofile.)\nAssassin 1: My personal feeling is that the assassin would have\nEscape\nhad to undergo no risk at all if he simply remained in\nor\nthe sewer-cavern (the inlet.) No one could see him from\nRemain\nthe street and later in cover of darkness he could slip\naway easily with the aid of someone coming to pick him\nup. It is apparent to me that thescrawl from the inlet\non the North side of Elm St. up under the knoll to the\ncavern behind the wooden fence (photographs to be sent\nshowing this inlet and its possibilities) would have been\nnearly impossible because of the severly cramped space\nin the pipe which is also 15\" and the very long distance\nfrom the street inlet to the grate behind the fence. It\nwould also seem unreasonable to go from the street inlet\nto behind the fence, after the assassination, since the\nattention of the search was concentrated on the area\nbehind the fence.\nThe testimony of Julia Ann Mercer#certainly suggests\nMercer\nthe possibility that a truck, of the kind she described,\ntestimony\nstopped on or about the location of the Northside Elm St.\nStorm Drain Inlet. This is visible in some pictures taken\nimmediately after the assassination which you already\nhave and some more which I am sending you. (Vol.XIX, 483)\nMiss Mercer stated that the truck parked with its\nwheels up on the curb. We know that the Green Ford pick-\nGreen\nup was parked illegally on two counts: there is no stopping\nFord\nat all allowed on that part of Elm St. and certainly not\nPickup\nin the manner of parking with the wheels on the sidewalk.\nTruck\nIf the conspirators wished to conceal this storm drain\nor its cover for a short period of time this was an ideal\nMeaning\nact. A rifle, a message, or possibly even a person could\nof its\nhave passed through the street opening of the inlet or in\nParking\nthe case of a man, through the uncovered hatch of the\nover Curb\ninlet. I think that the coincidence of the location at\nwhich the truck stopped, the manner in which it parked,\nand the blatant type of distraction of a man strolling up\nthe grassy incline in daylight with a gun case is more\nthan one can accept. All of the Report is too but we ve\nestablished that.\nThe most compelling of all evidence is in two\nZapruder\nparts and has been included in your thoughts already.\nFilm\nThe Zapruder film seen in its running, projected form\n(as most films are usually shown except this most im-\nTestimony\nportant of all films, which we are forced to watch in\nClint\n\"serial\" form on the pages of Life Magazine.) and fin-\nHill\nally the explicit testimony of Agent Clint Hill.\n-5-\nBefore I explain the other conclusions I have reached\nas a result of my photographic work and other information I\nwould like to ask you how would be the best way to divulge the\nabove finding. Youssuggested that I write up my conclusions and\nthe supporting evidence and submit it to Ramparts or Bill Turner.\nI would include, ofcourse, all the supporting photographs and make\navailable to them the film which pertains to that finding.\nMy question is this. Is is best for me to write this up\nand submit the material myself, knowing that my name would be\ndisclosed in the article or would it be better to maintain my\nanonimity for the purpose of futurelinvestigative assignments.\nI could for instance submit an article to Bill written by Lillian\nCastellano, as she was the discoverer, and tell them not to use\nmy name on the photographs.\nThere is one important related consideration. While I was\nin Dallas, as I had told you, I met with two right-wing oriented\nDallasités. These were friends of Mary s, although if they\nhad any idea of how Mary was using what they tell her to aid in\nher work for you, they would probably have her shot. These two\npeople are and a man named They have done an\nenormous amount of research and have developed enough solid evidence,\naccording to Mary, to indict several people, now! Part of this evidence\nhas been told to Mary as a way of testing her. They knew that if she\ntold you and they saw it later in the press or heard of it in some\nother way, she was not reliable for secrets and, in fact was probably\nan agent of yours. They are so right wing calls General\nWalker on the phone daily and addresses him by the nickname of\n\"Teddy\".) Mary knew that the information these two people had gathered\nwas too important to the solution of this crime to allow to be kept\nfor some futre novel or magazine expose. This type of information\nbelongs in your files for prosecution briefs. She then decided to\nabandon her overt ties with your office and resign herself to the\nvery dangerous job of appearing to help these two people and really\ncollecting all the data so that she could then transmit it to you.\nAs I told you, she has set up a situation where she will be with\none of these people at a time and each of them will tell her things\nwhich they have learned from the other, thinking that each little bit\nof information is something that Mary already knowss In this way she\nexpands her own knowledge and can see more readily the direction of\nth se people's investigation Then telling you by mail or\nBoxley, or me she can get the information to you. But she feels there\nis really nothing more important she can do for you, and I firmly\nagree.\nThe consideration is this. When I met with these two people\nI was able to win them over to thinking that I was an energetic\nyoung film student from U.C.L.A. who had a considerable knowledge\nof the case, but who, most importantly, had done a great deal of\nwork in regard to the photographic evidence in the case and who\nwas doing investigative work on the possibility of locating an assassin\nin some uninvestigated position that no one had thought of. This\nwhole story interested these two people very much. They quickly took\nme into their little group, as cautiously as they felt neccessary.\n* The names above have been marked out for obvious reasons. I think\nyou already know their names.\n-6-\nThey trusted me because I was a friend of Mary's; because\nI gave a\nsuperb (1) acting job of the average, radical, right-\nwing, young republican, student from the nut-world or California\npolitics. Mostly, they trusted me because they wanted to know what\nI'd discovered. By the way, this was the meeting with Larry F.\nI am aware that Gary S. would like this assignment in Dallas\nand I am convinced he would do an extremely good job. I ask only\nthis. If I have built this rapprevand you have any desire to use it\nfor more penetration ofothis bizarre group (investigation a plot\nthat leads most probably to their own back door) wouldn' t it be\nto our advantage to divulge my name in the Ramparts article? This\nwould further establish my interest and my work on the case and\nsolidify my base as U.C.L.A. diverting my affiliation from the\npossibility of my having connections with your office. Or would this\nbe a mistake since these people most assuredly feel Ramparts is\na Communist Journal. Or if you plan to send Gary to penetrate this\ngroup, or no one at all, would it be best that I keep my name a\nsecret. Whatever you décide I will do.\nOne further point having to do with this subject. While in\nDallas I made some photographs duplicating some of those photos\nin the Volumes attributed to Oswald. The ones he took down a lonely\nrailroad tracks just happened to be about twenty feet from the back\nporch of Harry Olsen's apartment. Turning on that point about 90 de-\ngrees toward the East one sees the turn that the motorcade made onto\nTurtle Creek Rd. Considering that there is an abundance of shrubbery\nbetween this point on the tracks and the right turn from Lemmon Ave.\n(I think) onto Turtle Creek, this very possibly, could have been an\nearlier possible location from which an assassin could fire. There\nis every indication that this would have been an adequate location\nfor the \"Triangulation\" and especially for a speedy escape. I think\nthe only drawbacks are that this is not more than one block from\nGeneral Walker's mansion on Turtle Creek Rd., and that from these\npositions there could be only minimal elevation for aiming.\nI also took some photos of the back of Walker's residence\nas Oswald was to have done. I took two of the front of his house\none of the side from an alley, and two from the alley in back. The\nview is unmistakably what is printed in the volumes where the mýster-\nious \"exploding license plate\" is shown. Unfortunately, General Walker\nhimself, decided as he watched me (and two boys who were assisting\nme - one of them Mary's son) that I was not doing the best thing for\nmy country. He came out of his back door and walked to us standing in\nthe alley behind his house. Realizing the danger of this type of en-\ncounter I walked to him aggressively and told him how pround I was to\nhave the opportunity to meet him. \"General Walker, I certainly never\nthought I would have the chance to meet you,\" (true). He asked me\nwhat I was doing and I quickly volunteered that I was writing a\nstory about him for the U.C.L.A. newspaper ( I thought that was a\nlot better than the FREE PRESS) and that I had wanted a picture of\nhis house. I also told him my name and shook his hand. My misfortune.\nHe looked at me totally suspicious but unable to really disbelieve me\nand the fact that I had two teenage boys with me supported my osten-\nsible harmlessness. I asked him if he had written anything lately,\n-7-\nand explained that I had read everything he had written. I guess\nnow he has written something because this statement on my part\ndid not crystallize his suspicion. He replied, \"I'm working, and\nhe had an unmistakable feminine manner about him when he replied.\nHe commented that I had gone about my work in a strange way (not\nasking his permission for the photograph) and asked where I was\nstaying. I told him I was staying with Dr. Maxfield, a man who is\na small clinic owner in Dallas along with his brother, very close\nfriends with all the right-wing leaders of the Dallas community\n(according to Mary) and also, strangely enought the pround possessors\nof an autographed picture of President Johnson. I had stayed at\nthe Statler the week before in Dallasa The Drs. Maxfield had made\nthe reservation for me and had lent me a camera. They had also\nspent some time talking to me in their clinic. All this is because\nthey are acquainted with my father and his work. They usually ent-\nertain my father when he has to make a business trip to Dallas.\nSo my story to General Walker would stand up if he checked.\nAfter he talked to us he said that he wasn't sure of my\nrights meaning that I was standing on his land (the alley) and\nI said I was sorry as I left. I thanked him anyway. The bastard.\nFrom the end of the alley where it met the street I took a picture\nof him standing there. The three of us then went down to the corner\nwhere ourtrented car was waiting. We got in rather quickly (we never\nran) and began to pull away when Walker turned out of the alley and\ndown the sidewalk. All he wanted was the license number which he\ndefinitely got. I snapped one more picture of him as we pulled away.\nHe didn't see me take this one. immediately returned the car.\nMary said that there was no danger in the incident because she\nwould call the girl (one of the two people at the meeting) and she,\nin turn, would call Walker corroborating my good rightist background\nand my intentions to find the truth out about Oswald's Communist\nfriends. I am sure Mary has done this.\nI wanted you to take this into consideration for the future.\nThere is definitely more photographic work to be done in Dallas as\nI will soon describe. And if you wish me to pursue this infiltration\nin the small group of right wing investigators I will. My established\n\"cover\" will work for me I believe, but that is something you can\njudge much better than I. Maybe I have gotten a little too close.\nIf you do agree that you should assign a man to this Dallas post\nother than Boxley who is well knownbby these people as one of \"Garri-\nson's men\" then I would be glad to do what I can. As I said I think\nGary could do a thoroughly competent job on this also. I do believe\nthis type of liason would be an immeasurable plus for the investi-\ngation.\nThe rest of my findings in Dallas:\n2) I took pictures from the roof of the Dallas County\nRecords Bldg. (film and stills). I took pictures from\nthe second floor of the Dal-Tex Bldg. and from the\nSeventh floor of the Dal-Tex Bldg. I took pictures\nfrom the third floor of the Texas School Book Depository\n-8-\nBuilding aiming out at Elm St. and also looking out the window\nto Houston St. by the fire escape. I was able to take the photos\nof the entire Plaza from the roof of the Records Building because\nI made friends with a negro maintenance man working in that building\nnamed John Luster, 31, an employee of the Building since 1962. His\naddress is 3500 Meadow St. Apt. #205.\nNew witness a) Luster was a witness to the assassination who has\nto the Assass- never been questioned by anyone and was very willing\nination\nto tell what he knew. He said that he heard three\nshots but when I questioned him further he said that\nthey were not single shots they were groups of shots\n(three) which he took to be spontaneously exploding\nfirecrackers. He viewed the President on Houston and\nafter the motorcade turned the corner he heard the\nshots and thinking they were only firecrackers he enter-\nSidewalk\ned the sidewalk, street-level, elevator (no one ever\nElevator\nmentioned this! I have film of him going down it).\nHe descended to the basement in the elevator along\nwith three other men whose identity he could not re-\nmember. He did think that one or mere of these men\nwere strangers to him. This is puzzling because there\nis really no reason for a man to go down in this ele-\nvator unless he has work in the basement. There is\na much more practical entrance to the rest of the build-\ning around the corner. I still need still photos of\nthis. The roll I took of this did not come out due\nto a camera malfunction. Also on this roll were photos\nfrom the Dal-Tex Building and from the TSBD.\nb) The Dal-Tex Building still photos did not come out\nbut I feel that we must reevaluate our contention\nthat a shot was fired from the second floor and con-\nsider a shot from the seventh or top floor. The isol-\nation of a small office, one of a row of offices whose\nwindows face out on the Houston St. side. This window\nis well hidden from the street by the shadow cast by\nthe TSBD and because of the fire escape which is attached\ncovering part of the window. See the Altgens Photo.\nAlso in this sort of office enclosure is a clutter of\nracks of clothing. Perfect soundproöfing for any noise\nand also an ideal abundance of place to hide a rifle.\nOn the second floor there is a good vantage point and\nthe shots fired according to the analysis of the Zap-\nrudersfilm indicate that the second floor was a likely\nperch for the assassin. However, this window is in\nplain view of the entire floor of the building (see any\naerial shot of the roof of the building) and if there\nwere any other spectators on that floor they would have\nseen the assassin or at least would have had any easy\nview of him had they been so inclined. His getaway would\nhave been difficult if he made any strange movements\nbecause he was so open to any workers on that floor ex-\ncept for the few people in the small front offices just\noutside the elevator.\n-10-\non the Grassy Knoll, following the description of its route\naccording to the testimony of Lee Bowers Jr.\nto his coworker, who now works in the North\ntower, would pass the rear entrance to the\nTwo cars\nmake-shift garage, and then pass the TSBD load-\nfled from\ning dock on Houston St and then pass the load-\nthe Parking\ning dock on the same street from the Dal-Tex\nLot behind\nBuilding and then have an easy drive away from\nthe fence\nthe assassination site and northward to the sub-\nand around\nurbs of Dallas.\nthe rear of\nthe TSBD\nFurthermore, I think that the man Roger Craig\nsaw (Oswald or whoever) was able to exit the TSBD\nCraig state-\nunnoticed by coming down the freight elevator and\nment coincides\nout the loading dock, or the make-shift garage then\nwith possible\ncross the street amidst the other panicked spectators\nOswald escape\nonto the knoll and then down the know to where the\nroute\nman was waiting in the Nash Rambler.\nCraig was there on November 22, 1967 while I\nCraig saw\ntook pictures of the memorial service. He was accomp-\nanother\nanying Penn Jones and he pointed out, to both Penn and\nwitness\nme,a man, a negro about 22 years old, who Craig said\nwas definitely a witness to the assassination on the\ncorner of Main and Houston Sts. Penn asked this boy\nhis name and he said Charles Denman. The boy denied\nhaving been a witness to the assassination but Craig\nwas positive. I have three different pictures of this\nboy which I will send you.\ne) Behind the Pergola on the end closest to the TSBD and\nnot the end at the Parking lot behind the fence there\nis a small wooden shack. There are probably tools and\nSmall Wooden\nequipment inside for Dealey Plaza maintenacne workers\nShack\nor possibly a heating unit or the like. But there is\na door on both the West and East side of this small\nshack and hidingiin it ofoperson rarifle is not at\nall impossible. The doors were all rather worn when I\nfirst visited the spot four weeks ago but on my trip\na week ago one of the doors had been replacedwith\na new and sturdy one, both are well padlocked.\n3) I think I have covered all of the points of this physical\nexamination of the area but I do feel that much can be developed about\nthe possible exits and entrances which might have been used. With the\ntestimony of some witnesses as support and the probability of various\nescape needs of the assassins it is not difficult to reconstruct the\nactual actions of the assassins. Remember now the street-level sidewalk\nelevator.\nfrom I also think that I can prove to your satisfaction the exact\nspot ^ which the shots were fired behind the fence by considering the\nrather restricted vantage points of other than a very few precise lo-\ncations. I have film to support most of this and I still need some\nadditional film. I would have done more but as I recounted to you by\n-9-\nSince the \"Tague Chip\" in the curb would line up\nwith either floor (seventh or second) 1t does not\neffect this observation. The angle of trajectory\nDal-Tex\nwould, most probably, suggest the second floor be-\nBuilding\ntween the two drawing a point fromuthe window through\nConclusion\nthe President's head to the \"Tague chip\". All of these\nobservations do not rule out the possibility of a\nfloor somewhere between the second and the seventh in\nthe Dal-Tex Building having been the \"nest\" of the\nassassin. I was able to take these pictures because\nof the very cooperative ladies who are the secretaries\nin the front officesof the second floor and because\nthere was some sort of office party on the Seventh floor\nand I was not noticed. I wonder now what kind of office\nparty they would have on November 22, 1967 at about 11:30 AM.\nSince the film did not come out on this building I withhold\nmy conclusions about this until later although I have\nalways felt and still do, that there was at least one shot\nfired from this building.\nc) Fromtthe Texas School Book Depository Building I was\nable to take some film and a few stills on the third\nfloor. A rather kind secretary allowed me to do this\nalthough 1t is against the strictest regulations. On\nthe fourth floor, the highest floor to which the elevator\nwill ascend even though five (incl. the\"5\") are on the\nTSBD\npush-button control panel in the elevator. The fourth\nFindings\nfloor people are well trained and told me to leave the\nbuilding. Then I went to the third. I was also able to\nget into the back stairway by an \"EXIT\" door. This is\nthe stairway Oswald allegedly used. Walking up to the\nfourth floor one finds that the door to continue to the\nfifth floor is completely blocked. Boxes are stacked in\nfront of it as if it was never intended to be a door; and\nto anyone who didn't know it was there it would not be\nvisible. The freight elevator is only twenty feet, at most,\nfrom the stairway marked \"EXIT\" I was able to take some\nphotos and some film of the loading docks on both the\nSouth (Dealy Plaza) side of the TSBD and the rear or\nHouston S+. side. There are two docks. The small street\nthat runs parallel to Elm St. above (north of) the Cement\nPergola not only services the truck entrance for the load-\ning dock but also has a back entrance (from the Railroad\nyards to the TSBD) leading out of a make-shift garage. The\nphotos I send you on this will be much more self explana-\ntory than my description.\nd) My findings were along the lines of escape which would\nhave been easily possible from both the Dal-Tex and the\nTexas School Book Depository Buildings. The rear loading\ndocks of both buildings empty onto a point several feet\nnorth up Houston St. from the intersection at Elm St.\nA car coming from the parking lot behind the wooden fence\n-11-\nphone the arrival of four squad cars of the Dallas Police made\nme think along the lines of escape in a more real sense than before.\nI locked myself in Mr. XXXXXXX's car and he explained to the two cops\nwho were about to arrest his son that they were just taking some harm-\nless photos. I assure you that the Plaza is well watched. But as you\ntold me before we can always move faster than they can so, consequently,\nI have much valuable material safe with me now.\n4) From my meeting with the two people and Mary, I derived\nthe following. Larry F. identified himself in several of the photographs\nthat were shown. All were slides projected onto a screen. Larry F.\nand his wife were there and were totally cooperative. True to the\nirony of the Warren Report he is about the mest unlikely candidate for\nassassin since Santa Claus. He did tell an important story of his arrest.\nAfter hearing of the assassination on the radio of the\ncoffee shop where he was having lunch a block away from Dealy Plaza he\ndecided to go directly to the site to see what he could. He ran down\nto the Plaza and stopped at a point in front of the Dal-Tex Building on\nElm St. A policeman who was still reacting to the immediacy of the\nassassination (this was barely minutes later) was instructing people\nto stand clear of the intersection of Elm and Houston as his coords\nwere investigating the TSBD. One policeman asked Larry to hold one\nend of the restraining rope for the side of Elm in front of the Dal-\nTex Building. He did this for about three minutes until more police-\nmen arrived on the scene and one of them took the rope from him. Be-\ncoming once again aware of his own situation Larry decided to call his\nboss at the Bank where he worked to tell them he would not be back to\nwork that afternoon. He asked a lady in the doorway of the Dal-Tex bldg.\nwhere a phone was. She said he could make at call on the third floor from\nthe office phone where her desk was. Larry and the lady rode up in the\nelevator with several other people, some of them possibly policemen but\nLarry is not sure. After the elevator stopped on some of the lower\nfloors it stopped on the third and he got out along with the lady. She\ndirected him to her desk in an office and told him he could use the\nphone. She then left him alone in the office. As Larry picked up the\nreceiver a man entered the office and asked him what he was doing, he\nwas wearing a work shirt of some kind and gave the impression of having\nsome authority there. When Larry told him he just wanted to make a call\nthe man told him to leave the building. The man's tone was curt and ra-\nther stern for the situation. Larry then proceeded down the elevator\nand out the same door on Elm St. He stopped to ask someone where a phone\nwas and as someone told him there was one in the Records Building across\nthe street a man, almost positively the same man from the third floor\nwho had told Larry to get out, leaned out the third floor window and\nyelled loudly to the Policemen there, \"There's your man\" and pointed\nto Larry. The Police quickly grabbed Larry and placed him under arrest.\nThey walked him down Houston street to the jail (Sheriff Decker's office)\nashpeople jeereddand spat upon him. There were several clear pictures\nof the arresting officers leading him towards the Sheriffs office. After\ndescribing this part of the story Larry told us that he was kept in\nDecker's office until about 7:30 P.M. that evening when he was released.\nHe said he was the last to be released and that the others (about ten\nother men)were released a few minutes earlier. Larry had to wait those\nextra few minutes while they brought him his coat or something like that.\n-12-\nLarry could not describe the other men very accurately, he\nclaimed his memory of the incident was not clear because he was\nmainly upset with his own situation. None of the men he was held\nwith talked to each other noreto him. He did mention that all the\nother men were dressed extremely sloppy and that he was the one\nwith a plaid or checked sport coat and an overcoat. Larry said that\nif there was anything we would like to ask him at any time he would\nbe willing to help.\n5) Considering all of the above I want to propose another\nproject for your evaluation. I have already begun to make a film for\nmy UCLA project, as you know. I had intended to make it a vehicle for\nshowing the Moorman Blow-ups and still feel it should be. Enclosed is\nthe Free Press treatment of the Blow-ups which I know you must have seen.\nHowever, what would you think of this. A film suggesting, not definitely\nor factually restricted, what type of activity might have taken place\nin the instrumentation of the assassination and the escape of the var-\nious assassins. That is, a pictorial viewiof the physical location of\nDealey Plaza (realizing that it will soon be destroyed - do you know\nthat the Dallas City Council actually sent a telegram to Mrs. Kennedy\nasking her to dedicate the new John F. Kennedy Parking Garage!!!) In-\ncorporated in this film would be the disclosure of the possible use\nof the storm drain; entrance, use and escape; the positions and viewpoints\nof each assassin behind the fence; the possible use of the grate to\nthe storm drain behind the fence; the view of Lee Bowers of the escape\nof the two men behind the fence and the path the cars took as they left\nthe parking lot; then possibly picking up each assassin from the docks\nof the TSBD and then the Dal-Tex building continuing on northerly away\nfrom downtown Dallas; The escape of the assassin from the Records building\nby surfacing up the street level elevator and walking down Houston street\n(possibly not using the elevator to emerge but rather for Jack Ruby to\ndissappear after viewing the assassination - as seen in Willis #8) then\nseeing the corner of Commerce St. where a Nash Rambler picked up a man\n(ref. \"Three Assassins Killed Kennedy\" Sat. Eve. Post) and watching the\nNash Rambler continue down Record St. turning left onto Elm St. con-\ntinueing down to the Grassy Knoll where a man (Oswald or Second Oswald\")\ncomes down the incline from the Southwest loading dock and gets into\nthe car.\nAll of these things could be supported by narrative explain-\ning the testimony to support this curiously well fittin arrangement of\nthe puzzle pieces. Intercut into the actual scene of the shots and that\ntime period would be the view point of President Kennedy himself, as\nhe saw the men behind the fence, dramatically augmented by the use of\na zoom technique and also the view of the man in the storm drain open-\ning. Cuts of the pictures in the Life Magazine photographs of the\nassassinationifrom Zapruder, Hughes, Towner, Willis etcetera would\ngive the film better senee of reality of the incident and would help\nto locate the audience viewpoint. Finally, the showing of the blowups\nfrom the Moorman Photo without explanation, merely starting with the\noriginal photo in its entirety and proceeding on to the gradual devel-\nopment of enlargement after enlargement would dramatically indict the\naudience to move from their apathetic uselessness to some sort of feel-\ning which might cause them to act on what they have seen.\n-14-\n9) Maggie and Ray Marcus and possibly some others have suggested\nthat you make a more public statement about the possibiltiy of the\nGovernment producing, for all to examine, at long last, a set of totally\nfalse X-rays and photographs consistent with the false findings of the\nphony Report. I realize that you made this statement clearly in your\npiece \"Liberty and Justice for All\", which is a fine, fine work and\nshould be published, but I know that Maggie and myself feel that it\ncannot be said enough. Especially when you are in a television inter-\nview situation where you make reference to the X-rays and the photo-\ngraphs in connection with the Commissioners attempt to maintain their\ninnocence. It would be advantageous that in the same interview, where-\never tactically best, you told of the drastic measures to which the\ncommission and their aides went to alter the evidence (i.e. the explod-\ning trunk of the Chevy in Walker's driveway) and explained that it\nwould be nothing for the Government with all their facilities and\nendless blank check of the taxpayer's money to produce an infallible\nset of x-rays of the shot's path directly from the sixth floor of the\nTSBD. This would be anoinstance where another murder, that of the\nphotographic subject, would definitely be in the \"National Interest. \"\n10) Maggie reminded me that Harry Olsen lives in Long Beach,\nand could be questioned anytime. Maybe, you would want to do this\nthe next time you're here.\n11) My brother, Andrew Jaffe, Newsweek, Atlanta Bureau, has\nmet with me this last Sunday. He is firmly convinced that the Sat.\nEvening Post Article is the truth and that there should be annew\ninquiry. He is firmly convinced that you are the best thing this\ncountry has going for it. He will do anything to help. He is in\na precarious position. Aynesworth, he predicts, will be taken off\nthe assignment of the assassination because Newsweek will want to\nchange their position subtly as they have already begun to do when\nthey covered the Thompson book. My brother said that if you have\nany informationithat you want to break in an important way via the\nmagazine he will write the story and submit it just as you approve\nit. He will quit if it si altered and printed in an untrue manner.\nMost of all, he hopes that you will give him something to connect\nOswald and Ruby, since he understands that any evidence that might\nprejudice the Shaw trial is not possible. He thinks there is a good\nchance that if Aynesworth is bounced he will get the assignmentias\nhe is the number one investigative reporter in the sourthern bureau.\nUp to now his assignment has always been the Civil Rights outbursts.\nIf you would like to talk to him or to tell him to tell the magazine\nto go to hell he is at your service and promises that he will never\ndivert from the path of strict objectivity. Nice, that he has finally\ncome around, even though it is plenty late for any man who thinks.\n12) Maggie's book remains unpublished, is there anything we\ncan do? It's as criminal as the rest of this murder.\n13) Clauder Culpepper is forever exposed. Enclosed is an\narticle from the Thanksgiving day issue of the Herald Express. Not\nthe L.A. Times. But more important, the L.A. times (small 't' inten-\ntional, it's all they deserve) has editorially, endorsed the \"holes\"\nin the Report. True to their castrated nature they call for Thompson\n-15-\ncontinue his investigation and when he is finished to tell us all\nhow it came out. The bum that wrote this article makes the same\ndamn mistake all of thèse capons make when he says that your inves-\ntigation fascinates him (rather feminine reaction) but that he did\nnot read enoughtevidence in the newspapers to convince him that, as\njudge, Jury and defense attorney, he should convict the defendant.\nAt least the Goon has the direction now and if idiots like this one\ncan find it, it should follow that the rest of the press has a chance\nto find it.\n14) There is a book on the paperback stand in Dallas which I\nhad not seen prior to my trip there which tells the story in a fiction\nform but probably comes closer than much of the non-fiction about the\ncase. \"The Trumpets of November\" -- \"The Militants\" (double titled)\n1s written by Wesley S. Thurston (his life is sort of on the rocks I\nshould think if he plans to reside in Texas). I won't bother you with\nreading it - I will do that first and tell you what is important about\nit but I will quote what it says on the cover.\n\"This is fiction. But the fantastic events of that terror-\nridden day in November when our beloved President was murdered were the\nfulfillment of THE MILITANTS' satanic plot and could have been true.Con-\nsumed by hatesand strange lusts, the conspirators of THE TRUMPETS OF\nNOVEMBER head for a street in Dallas. \"BACK COVER: \"TOO FANTASTIC? A\nretired American general masterminds a plot for the violent take-over\nof the U.S. President John F. Kennedy heads the list of those to be\nmurdered. A top reporter has the facts in hand but cannot stop the\nevents of NOVEMBER 22, 1963. Addaring departure from conventional\nfiction, THE TRUMPETS OF NOVEMBER projects what is known - and not yet\nknown - about Kennedy's assassination into a novel of treachery, terror-\nism and psycho-sexuality no more incredible than the daily headlines.\"\nIn conjunction withtthe totally incredible, but very true,\nchronology and analysis by Joachim Joesten in his case against you know\nwho, I feel that this book has something to say. Just the cover is enough\nto let people have a bit of the shock. Joesten is truly a genius when\nit comes to incite in this case.\nI am contacting that lawyer in L.A. to continue with our\ninvestigation of that thing. We will be subtle and make sure not to\nlet the slightest hint of our objective slip. I will not even tell him\nwhat he is looking for exactly, just to hunt for evidence of Shaw.\nWould you do me a favor on the lines of the draftboard\nletter? I need a copy of the letter so that I can give it to my lawyer.\nHe will then tell me what to do to get reclassified but I do need the\ncopy as soon as it would be possible to send it.\nI will send photos as I make them and I will show what\nwe have developed to the \"Ntonion\" who is interested as you well know.\nMaybe he will be motivated to help with the film.\nI hope yourare feeling better but I think you will have to\nget rid of your cold here. Can you let me know the date you plan to come\nby some secret way? I will then make whatever plans you require and you\nwill be able to use the house whenever you like from now onv You are\n-16-\nYou are welcome to bring your family if you like and if\nthat is desireable to you. I have contacted the girl who did some\nresearch for us here and she continues her research and wishes you\nwell.\nThank you for bearing with this rather long account of\nall that I felt I should relay to you. I leave you with these words:\n\"Terror is not a new weapon. Throughout history it has\nbeen used by those who could not prevail either by persuasion\nor by example. But inevitably they fail, either because men are\nnot afraid to die for a life worth living or because the terror-\nists themselves come to realize that free men cannot be fright-\nened by threats, and that aggression will meet its own response.\"\n-----\nJohn F. Kennedy\nInevitably they fail.\nRespectfully yours,\nSteve SPUR\n** P.S. 11/29 I have now viewed all the film from my last visit to\nDallas. I was unfortuneately not familiar enough with this new\ncamera to realize that for that early hour of the morning I would\nneed a special (fast) film to capture the car going by the storm drain.\nI have also found that due to a camera malfunction the stills\nof important viewpoints from the Dal-Tex Bldg., the Roof of the Records\nBldg.; the TSBD loading dock; the street elevator on Houston St.; and\nfrom the storm drain did not come out satisfactorily. In the case of\nthe stills the film had torn inside the camera and the movie film was\njust too dark.\nI spoke tonite to Mary and she is making arrangements for met\nto return to Dallas a week from this coming Friday, on December 8th.\nI should stay there for the three days of the weekend. I will film\neverything that I lack from the last trip and I will try to meet again\nwith those two people. Baring unforseen interference I will plan every\nbit of photography very carefully so as not to draw attention and I will\nspread the shooting out over two days so that I can do a little both days.\nUnless I hear orders from you to the contraire I will assume that your\napprove but I will not divùlge my affiliation if I am caught (still a\nsimple U.C.L.A. film student with strange interests.) I enclose the\nreceipts from the last trip as you asked. I understand the financial\nsituation so I ask no reimbursement for this trip -- Mary has offered\nsome help and I have enough for the film.\nThe lawyer we talked about has some definite ideas about how to\nget some financial help for the film work I have been doing and I will\nclear any offers through you. I think also that Antoni will have some\nideas along that line -- not for any project of a big film but just to\npay for the several hundred dollars of film that I have already done\nand will need to do of still photos and for sound.\nYour testimonial for Maggie's book cheered her considerably and\nshe is very grateful. She is writing you a letter and she will be leav-\ning next Monday.\nI hear that Mort did not get the bums off their duffs in N.Y. and\nis on his way back here. I hope we can give him some support here. SJ\nAugust 8, 1968\nINTERVIEW OF RAYMOND BROSHEARS - CONDUCTED BY STEVE JAFFE,\nJAMES ALCOCK, LOUIS IVON\nRe: DAVID FERRIE\nCLAY SHAW\nBROSHEARS #4\nKERRY THORNLYY\nTHOMAS BECKHAM\nCUBANS\nQ.\nState your name on the tape recorder.\nA.\nRAYMOND BROSHEARS.\nQ.\nHow did you meet MARTIN?\nA.\nMARTIN's been in for so long, Nebraská's used to him.\nl.\nRAYMOND BROSHEARS, why don't you tell us when you\narrived in New Orleans in '65?\nA.\nIt was shortly thereafter I left the Bogalusa\ndemonstrations down there and got stoppad by one of\nthe Louisiana State Troopers. I was doing Civil\nRights work in Bogalusa. I was with the Congress of\nRacial Equality at that time. I come down here. I\nwas still in bad shape from having\nwhen I was here before and then I got stopped. And I\ncome on down to New Orleans cause I didn't know any\nwhere else to go. I was waiting to contact -- waiting\nfor a contact from MR. FARMER from New York City.\nMR. FARMER was supposed\nin New Orleans at the time. So I was here and this\nwas in August.\nAnd this was in August, right at the first of August.\nAnd I gravitated into your underground down here\nbecause I didn't have money one so to speak. I\narrived at the Continental Trailways bus depot over\non Tulane at that time. I assume it's still there.\nAnd there was a little hotel -- and that's all the\nsign had out front was \"Hotel\" and it was just down\nthe street from it. And I figured with a sign like\nthat it had to be a cheap place so I got a place at\nthe cheap hotel. And I got it under the name EARL\nRAYMOND ALLEN, not RAYMOND BROSHEARS cause I had gotten\ninto a little bit of trouble up North doing Civil\nRights work under the name RAYMOND BROSHEARS and I was\npretty upset. I didn't know which way to turn. I had\nlost the church, I lost the family, everything over it.\nSo I thought I'd go back to EARL RAYMOND ALLEN. EARL\nRAYMOND ALLEN is the name I was born with my mother,\nin one of her mad moments had it changed to one of her\nmany mad husbands.\nQ.\nWhat is this name?\nA.\nEARL RAYMOND ALLEN.\nQ.\nEARL RAYMOND ALLEN. All right.\n-1-\nA.\nAnd RAY ALLEN and AL is the name that I circulated here\nin New Orleans under in that certain short period of\ntime. And I met a lot of people here, a lot of strange\npeople and I guess one of the strangest people I ever\nmet was what I considered to be a very frightened --\nlater -- I now consider him to be a very frightened\nperson. At that time I considered him to be a very\npromiscuous person by the name of DAVID.\nl.\nDAVID FERRIE?\nForm:\nA.\nIt now turns out to be DAVID FERRIE cause the picture,\nand the hair, and everything -- and the age -- all\ncorrelates out to the same DAVID. But then later on I\nsaw his wings from Eastern Airlines which is engraved\non the back which said DAVID FERRIE. This was not\nright off. He didn't come out and say, \"See, my name's\nDAVID FERRIE.\nQ.\nWhere did you meet him?\nA.\nAt Dixie's. Then over at Lafittes.\nQ.\nWas he with anyone when you first met him?\nA.\nA couple of young boys. I'd say they were about --\nwell, I'd say they were too young to be in a bar.\nJust hustlers aren trying to make their way, you know --\nand they sure 7 going to make it with him. I found\nthat out. He didn't have penny one except at times\nhe would come up with a few pennies but he didn't have\nmuch in the way of money. Causehe was -- he just didn't\nhave any money. Now this is what I found to be very\nstrange now. Cause Mr. Lane told me the other day\nwhen he came to my home\nQ.\nREV. BROSHEARS, who is that man there?\nA.\nThat's DAVID FERRIE. (Laughter) I'm sorry. It's\nrather a bad picture. He doesn't look too bad when he's\nmade up, you know. I mean he's passable.\nQ.\nDid you ever get arrested for a charge of conspiring\nagainst President Johnson for statements you made?\nA.\nYes, I did. I was arrested. I was told I was going to\nbe arrested by his friend, BERT. He said I was in\ntrouble cause I had been blabbing my mouth.\nQ.\nBy whose friend, DAVE FERRIE's\nA.\nDave's. Who I had earlier been introduced to as CLARA\nand also CLAY. The last name was never given. I\napparently\nwas told he was one of the wealthiest men in New Orleans\nShaw:\nand could buy and sell people.\nQ.\nIs this a photograph of the man you knew as BERT?\nA.\nThat's a photograph of him. His hair seems to be a\nlittle fuller on top then it was on top at that time.\nHe had his hair cut a little closer at that particular\ntime.\nQ.\nAnd do ou recognize the man in this photograph?\nA.\nI don't know which one. But they claimed that they had\ntwo letters to my grandmother, a letter to my mother\nin which I made statements to her, and also, --- and\nthis I will never believe in ten thousand years --\nthat I sent a letter, a card to Mr. Johnson himself.\nI do not believe that. Now, Gentlemen, I'm sorry, I\ndo not believe that I, even in my maddest moment, could\nhave been crazy enough to send a card directly to the\nPresident and signed with my own name because if you're\ngoing to kill somebody you don't write them ahead of\ntime and tell them about it. I'm sorry. But I had\nmade some threatening remarks, there's no doubt about\nthat. So on the last night before, DAVID said he was\nflying out at 12:30 and wanted to know if I wanted to\ngo with him. I wasn't particularly wild about going\nwith him. I thought it would be good but he wasn't\ngoing directly on to Cape Town. He was just going\nstraight to Central America. He wasn't going to\nCape Town which is where I wanted to go to cause they\nspeak English down there and it's more an American-\ntype country. And he left. And he come back with\nthis huge -- and these things, you know\nAnd so we met BERT later on up on Bourbon Street and\nBERT gave him this huge envelope. It was something\nlike an X-ray envelope. You know how big those are --\nthose are huge. And it had a smaller envelope\nShaw:\nattached to the outside and it was a large brown\nenvelope about that size. But anyhow this envelope\nthey reiterated that I'd better get out of town, that\nthe FBI was going to arrest me. Well, I never even\nwent back to the hotel.\nQ.\nWho told you that at that time?\nA.\nDAVID told me that BERT said I was going to be arrested.\nI never even went back to the hotel. DAVID reached in\nthe envelope and took out two twenty dollar bills\nand he said, \"Here, this will tide you over and hide.\nuntil I get back.\" And he said, \"Don't hide here in\nNew Orleans.\" He said, \"When I gat back meet me down\nat Lafitte 's.\" But he didn't aay when or anything.\nSo I figured, god, I was feeling so parenoid. Here I\nam in a southern city like New Orleans, I got the\nCivil Rights thing on me and these people down here\ndon't particularly like people who work for Civil\nRights. And now this guy says I'm in trouble, DAVE\nsays I'm in trouble and this other guy says the FBI's\ngoing to arrest me for threatening the life of the\nPresident which there's no doubt that I have. So I\ndidn't know what to do so I'm a disabled veteran so\nthe nearest thing I figured that I would have\nimmunity there, no one could touch me in a VA\nhospital, a federal hospital. Well, I was almost\nright. I had a very difficult time getting in. They\nwasn't going to admit me first. And then I said that' I\nwas going to kill myself and the doctor said, \"That's\nnice, go right ahead and do it.\" I had a terrible\ntime convincing them. So then I finally had to go out\nand\nThat\ngot me in. I thought I had it made. I didn't\nhave it made.\nQ.\nWhat happened then?\nA.\nThere was a real fine doctor up there, a Dr. STONE.\nA heavy set man, short -- I think he took a little\ntoo many mints but he was a fine man, let me tell you.\nAnd Dr. STONE told ma two days after I had been in\nthere, he said \"There's a couple of men here to see\nyou. They identify themselves as from the U.S.\nMarshal's Office. And I said what for. And he said,\n\"You have written threatening letters to the President\nand you are wanted on this charge. And it's a very\nserious charge, threatening the life of the President.\"\nAnd I said, \"Dr. Stone, I've said a lot of things but\nI don't think I've said anymore than anybody else has\nsaid.\" And he said, \"Well, if you don't want to talk\nto them, you don't have to.\" And he saw to it that I\ndidn't have to talk to them. for several days. And then\nDR. STONE suddenly wasn't there. / He And didn this DR. come in.\nROBINSON who was his assistant, who was at Tulane\nUniversity, a psychiatrist at Tulane University on\ntheir staff, or a teacher or something there, -- all\nI remember is he was something at Tulane University --\nthis DR. ROBINSON took over my case because DR. STONE\nhad suddenly been transferred to Cincinnati, Ohio.\nNow I had seen DR. STONE the day before and he was\ntalking about helping me get out of this mess and he\nwasn't going to no Cincinnati or anything and all of\na sudden the next morning here comes this ROBINSON\nwalking in. He said, \"You're my patient.\" I go out\nin the dayroom and these two aides come in, grab me,\ntook me in a room, threw me down, stripped me, bare,\nand had me in cuffs and put pajamas on me and I was in\na room like you wouldn't believe just a mattress\non the floor, just a light on the ceiling.\nQ.\nWhat town was that in?\nA.\nNew Orleans, Louisiana, in the U.S. Naval Hospital,\nright here.\nQ.\nWhat name were you in the hospital under?\nA.\nEARL RAYMOND ALLEN. But I believe DR. STONE got the\nother name, RAYMOND BROSHEARS because that's what my\nsea file was under, BROSHEARS. And that's the first\ntime they came in contact with the other name.\nQ.\nCould I ask you a question? On July 8 you were on the\nStan Forman television program in Los Angeles and when\nyou were asked what the statement was that you had made\nthat got you arrested you said that, \"I stated that\nMr. Johnson, the person who was responsible directly or\nindirectly for the assassination of our beloved\nPresident Kennedy, should be put to death.\"\nA.\nYes, I made that statement in front of Judge Christen-\nberry in that so called -- I don't know what it was --\nindictment, trial, committment, whitever it was, I made\nit there. That is a statement that is officially\nattributed to me.\nQ.\nHad DAVID FERRIE discussed the assassination of President\nA.\nNot right off, but as I got to know him, yes. Of\ncourse, you know in the homosexual underworld everybody\nlikes to make themselves out to be something more than\nreal important,\nwhat they are. You know, especially the more they're\nhitting the skids and the deeper down they're going\nthe more important they like to make themselves, I feel.\nOf course, this doesn't have to be just homosexual\nunderworld, in any facet of life, people on the skids\nlike to make themselves out to be more important and\nI as I told Mr. Lane, I just talked, I didn't pay any\nattention to him and I was really riding him over it,\nyou know, but the more I did this, the more he said.\nQ.\nWhat was the first things that DAVID FERRIE started to\ntell you about the assassination?\nA.\nHe told me that LEE HARVEY OSWALD did not kill President\nKennedy. And I said a lot you know about it. And he\nsaid, \"I'll have you know and he started in\nand he then proceeded to tell me about he was to fly\ntwo of -- he specified two of the assassins. He didn't\nsay there were only two or one, he said \"Two of the\nassassins. He said I was flying two of the killers from\neurhat Note: Emity recalls him that him Ferri to sey to\nSouth of Houston on down through Central and South\nAmerica into the Republic of South Africa cause they\nforbage\nhave no extradition treaty there and they'll be safe.\nAnd he proceeds to go on -- I still think it's some\nkind of a cock and bull story because it's just a little\nbit too big for me to\n-- trying to tie HALE\nBOGGS, a congressman here in Louisiana, trying to tie\nis the your Junet. this the bea\nhim with BILLY JAMES HARGUS and GENERAL WALKER and H.\nLEMAR HUNT and this guy in New Jersey, MCINTYRE. He\nwas tying them all together. He said it's part of\nthe great, great white, Anglo-Saxon protestant plot\nto take over the country to keep their man in and I\ncouldn't buy it. I really couldn't buy it then and I\nstill have a hard -- well, I'm not having as hard a\ntime buying it, I'll be honest with you. I'm not having\nas hard a time buying it now as I did then.\nQ.\nWhat did he say specifically about HALE BOGGS and his\ninvolvement?\nA.\nWell, he said HALE BOGGS, he mentioned -- now this is\nthe only time he used the name CLAY SHAW -- he\nmentioned CLAY SHAW keeps HALE BOGGS in Congress.\nAnd this was several days after our first meeting.\nHe said CLAY SHAW keeps HALE BOGGS in Congress. I\nfound that interesting. I know some wealthy business-\nShow:\nmen who do keep Cnngressmen in office by keeping the\nmoney going. And then I -- HALE BOGGS, I don't know,\nhe -- then Mr. Lane tells me that HALE BOGGS was on\nthe Warren Commission and, I don't know, I had just\ndone what I had been told, I stayed out of everything.\nWhen I was told that DAVE FERRIE had killed himself,\nthis was in March of 1966, I just accepted it as such\nand then went on and then they met me here at the\nairport, put me on a Delta Airlines for St. Louis and\nwent to my cousin's farm.\nQ.\nWho was it that:told you that DAVID FERRIE killed\nhimself in March of 1966 and who was it that put you\non the airplane?\n-6-\nA.\nThe man that put me on the airplane, I don't know who\nhe was. He just flipped out a badge, and it was a\nSecret Service badge, you know. You know thay've got\nthose little cowboy-like, cowboy-type badges, you know?\nThey just told me the agreement was that I would leave\nGulfport, that I would not come back to New Orleans.\nWell, they had told me over there SHERMAN had told\nme that there was no good for me to go back to New\nOrleans cause my friend was dead. He had killed\nhimself.\nQ.\nWho told you?\nA.\nSHERMAN.\nQ.\nWho's SHERMAN?\nA.\nWell, I understand he's Secret Service. He said he's\ndead. And I was quite physically shook about it. A\nlot of things were going through my mind and I wanted\nto see DR. STONE again and I remembered that DR.\nROBINSON said he was in Cincinnati. So after I got up\nto Cincinnati and reported to the Secret Service and\neverything then I decided to go to Cincinnati. And I\nstarted to drive there and I never got there. I was\nmet at the Indiana State line, at the Harmony Bridge\nby the/state Indiana Police and I was taken to a cafe up the\nroad and there I was talked to.\nQ.\nBy whom?\nA.\nBy two Secret Service men.\nQ.\nDO you remember one of their names?\nA.\nSHERWOOD.\nQ.\nSHERWOOD?\nA.\nSHERMAN, SHERMAN.\nQ.\nDid you ever meet a Secret Service agent by the name of\nRUFUS YOUNGBLOOD?\nA.\nI met RUFUS YOUNGBLOOD here in New Orleans. I met\nRUFUS YOUNGBLOOD -- I have been thinking very seriously\nand it was not RUFUS YOUNGBLOOD at New Harmony. I gat\nhim and this SHERWOODmixed up. It was not RUFUS\nYOUNGBLOOD.\nQ.\nBut who was it that told you that DAVID FERRIE was dead?\nA.\nWell, SHERWOOD came over There had been numerous\npeople from Washington because as CLARK said, \"we're\nnot jailing him -- if you want him in jail, put him in\njail this is a hospital, if you want him out, put\nhim out. We don't have any bedspace.\" So YOUNGBLOOD\nhad been over there, YOUNGBLOOD told me he was dead;\nSHERWOOD told me he was dead and this other guy, CALCOT\nof the FBI -- it seems like there's a\"cot\" at the end of\nhis name and he said\nyour friend is dead,\nyour friend DAVID. This was in 1966. So when I was met\nover at the Indiana State line they asked me where I\nwas going and I said I'm going to Cincinnati. Now I\ncousin, Virginia, called the St. Louis office and told\nthem where I was going.\nQ.\nWhen DAVID FERRIE told you that CLAY SHAW was keeping\nHALE BOGGS in Congress, did he tell you who CLAY SHAW\nShow:\nwas 'or what he did?\nA.\nHe told me he was a wealthy financier and he was one\nof the wealthiest men in New Orleans and he mentioned\nconnection he, and then he mentioned a connection\nbetween a man named KENT COURTNEY and then he also told\nme that he was flying -- he had flown one trip with\nsomebody named RICHARD LAUCHLI whom later I learned a\nlittle bit about.\nQ.\nDid you know RICHARD LAUCHLI?\nA.\nI had met him at the Stove Works at Collinsville,\nIllinois, after I went back to Coùlterville, Illinois.\nI had never been to Coulterville before, I should say\nthat after my cousin left Illinois. Shortly thereafter\nwhen I was told to \"Go West, young man\" this young man\nleft and I went to San Francisco, and there I remained\nin comparative safety and silence because it does feel\nkind of good to have all of that money coming in every\nmonth.\nQ.\nDid DAVE FERRIE ever talk to you about PERRY RAYMOND\nRUSSO?\nA.\nYes. He never did say --- not all the names you're\nrunning off there.\nQ.\nJust PERRY RUSSO?\nA.\nHe mentioned the name RUSSO and he called him numerous\nRusso:\nnames but I strongly suspect there was something there.\nI would only be projecting.\nQ.\nDid DAVID FERRIE ever mention RUSSO in connection with\nCLAY SHAW? For example, in an earlier interview I had\nwith you you told me that RUSSO was somehow involved\nin either taking money from SHAW\nA.\nBut that is yet to be determined. That is only what\nDAVID said.\nQ.\nWhat did he say?\nA.\nHe said something about it but the point was not too\nclear. He had a distinct --- he was very upset with\nRUSSO but I know he got money from -- I can't remember,\nthree years is a long time for something that to me is\ninsignificant. Insignificant for the fact that I had\naccepted the Warren Report.\nQ.\nWho said that?\nA.\nI had accepted the Warren Report.\nQ.\nHave you ever read it?\n-8-\nA.\nNo, but after what Mr. Lane said the other day -- a\ngood cause. If the Warren Commission doesn't even look\nat the evidence, well how can it possibly be a reliable\nreport.\nQ.\nWhat did FERRIE do as an occupation?\nA.\nWell, he claimed, he claimed that he was a private\ndetective -- something which I very seriously doubt.\nHe doesn't look the role of a private detective; he\ndoesn't talk the role of a private detective at all in\nmy book. That's all right. I humored him. You\nhumor a lot of people but I don't think he was a\nprivate detective myself. He also told me about his\ntrips and how he made his money. Now he told me that he\nstarted working for the government - now this is the\nonly thing that really has me concerned now -- ha told\nFarmi:\nme they started working for the government, but now\nne later learns that they are not really working for\nthe government, They're working against the government.\nAnd that's why he was in the condition he was in. He\ntold me there were films taken of him and a sixteen\nyear old boy engaged in an homosexual act here in New\nOrleans and he told me that that is punishable in the\nState of Louisiana by life imprisonment. I don't know\nyour laws here on that particular subject but this is\nwhat he told me. This to me in view of his condition,\npoverty condition, this accounts to me why he didn't\nhave any money cause he was really making these trips\nalmost for free.\nQ.\nWhat were these trips? What was he doing?\nA.\nHe told me that he made trips down to -- he mentioned\nto me very specifically, Guatemala and British Honduras\nand Honduras and Belize is one of the cities he said he\nlikes.\nQ.\nHow do you spell Belize?\nA.\nB-E-L-I-Z-E, but this is one of the cities he liked.\nI believe it's a\nQ.\nIt's British, yeah, it's British.\nA.\nHe told me that he flew arms and this was the first\ntime that LAUCHLI Came into it, but he never mentioned\nwhat LAUCHLI, what his role was.\nQ.\nDid he ever say how he got paid for these flights that\nhe made?\nA.\nAs I told you many times before, he never mentioned\npayment. He was always drunk and this is why he\nmentioned those films. He indicated that he was being\nFarmi\nblackmailed for these films. This is why it didn't\ncost somebody to make those flights. Except as I told\nMoney:\nyou he would go, he would take the St. Charles streetcar\nand come back with money from time to time. And on one\noccasion we went over to this place, the building I\nidentified which you say is on Camp, I believe, he got\nmoney there.\n-9--\nQ.\nThe building that you identified was at 544 Camp St.\nA.\nYou told me that was where he supposedly worked at a\ndetective company.\nQ.\nThat was the photograph I showed you.\nA.\nYes, afterwards, you told me that was where he worked\nas a detective, but/I still don't believe he's a\ndetective, because I understand detectives are licensed\nby the City here, any city they have to be licensed and\nI doubt was he licensed as a detective here?\nQ.\nI: don't know. He did work for a private detective here.\nA.\nBut don't you have any license to really be a genuine\nprivate detective?\nQ.\nYes, but you can work for them without a license.\nA.\nHe wasn't a private detective, Mr. Alcock.\nQ.\nDid he ever mention the Central Intelligence Agency or\nany words to that effect?\nA.\nThe Agency. He mentioned the Agency, that is what he\nThe Agency:\nworked for.\nQ.\nWhen he went on theSt. Charles streetcar did he ever\nspeak about that was where he was going?\nA.\nHe mentioned that he would get money from someone in\nthe Agency. He never used the words Central Intelligence.\nAnd I have since learned, since meeting Steve and Mr.\nLane, and I have talked with John, John has told me,\nand, of course, I have met this man but I didn't know\nwho he was nor what he was with before. Now he's\nsupposed to be a respectable contractor. I really\ndon't know if he is or not but I know he's quite wealthy\nand has quite a fancy home in Long Beach but this man\nis ----\nQ.\nWhat's his name?\nA.\nI\nI\nQ.\nYou'd rather not say?\nA.\nI would only say that under subpoena; anyhow, this man\ntold me, that he used to be with him -- now he admits\nhe used to be and he said he was an electrician, a\nmember of the OSS\nand they always refer to it as the Agency. And this\nis since the teleast, because this man became very\nupset and did not want me to say anything more because\nhe felt it was not in my best interests because Mr.\nGarrison was a man who hd been proved by the government\nto be mentally ill and he said this man will do\nanything and he said he will not stop short of murder.\nQ.\nThis was that man you'd rather not mention?\nA.\nThen, also, John told me about this MR. BALL, you know.\nQ.\nWhat did he say about that?\nA.\nOh, you know, just telling me toelay off, you know --\nit would be better for everyone if I just let sleeping\ndogs lie. Let the man rest in peace. He's dead,\neveryone else is gone...I didn't know, he later told\nme who MR. BALL is. He's out there in Long Beach and\nhe's an attorney in Long Beach and he's not a very\nfamous attorney in Long Beach at least not in our\nnot until Steve told me that.\nQ.\nYou're talking about JOSEPH BALL?\nA.\nYeah, JOSEPH BALL. You said he was on the Warren\nCommission. I think you said he was on the Commission.\nWas he?\nQ.\nYes, he was.\nA.\nAs Counsel.\nQ.\nHe was an attorney for the Warren Commission.\nA.\nYou never hear anything about him in Long Beach. He\ndefinitely lives there or John would not have told you\nthat. He's not in the news, cause I've never heard of\nhim. Of course, we don't hear of many of our lawyers\nin Long Beach\n(END OF FIRST SIDE OF TAPE)\nQ.\nthat the assassins were supposed to fly out of\nDallas? What did he say happened?\nA.\nThey were supposed to fly between Ft. Worth and Dallas,\nhe did not specify an airfield. Because a single engine,\nI have\nsince talking with Mr. Lane, any single\nengine plane can take off -- it doesn't have to be from\n\"Carln\":\nan airfield. And he said that CARLOS was a lousy damn\npilot.\n(An ineriary\nrecurrent\nQ.\nWho?\nwith Farri)\nA.\nCarlos. He said he can't fly worth a shit.\nQ.\nDid he say CARLOS was one of the\nA.\nYes, CARLOS was one of the assassins. And CARLOS\ndidn't fly worth a shit. And they were supposed to fly\nhim where he'd have a twin engine plane. He'd have a\ntwin engine.\nQ.\nWhere was that supposed to be -- South of Houston?\nA.\nSouth of Houston. He said that they didn't do it.\nThey flew right down to Mexico. And he said they\ncrashed off Corpus Christi.\nQ.\nDid he say what CARLOS' lastname was?\nA.\nI can't swear to that, I'm sorry.\nQ.\nWhat about this crash, was this recorded?\nA.\nYes, the government certainly knew about it, because the\nNaval Air Base in Corpus Christi, they cleaned it all\nup. DAVID said at that time there was some information\nabout it but Steve tells me and Mr. Lane tells me there\nis no evidence of it.\nQ.\nDid the plane crash close to Corpus Christi?\nA.\nOff of it. On an island, on a sandy island off\nCorpus Christi.\nQ.\nWas it recorded in the Corpus Christi papers that day?\nA.\nSteve said he checked the Corpus Christi papars and\nit's not in there.\nQ.\n(STEVE) I said we had somebody try and check the\nCorpus Christi papers and they couldn't find it.\nDid he say exactly what day it was that the plane\ncrash took place?\nA.\nSame day.\nQ.\nNovember 22, 1963.\nA.\nYes, yes.\nQ.\nDid he say who the other man was in the plane with\nCARLOS?\nA.\nA Caucasian.\nQ.\nWhat was CARLOS?\nA.\nHe was Spanish. He was from -- he was a Cuban exile.\nCubana:\nQ.\nDid he say he had ever known these two men before?\nA.\nYes.\nQ.\nDid he say where?\nA.\nHere in New Orleans.\nQ.\nWhat did he say?\nA.\nWell, he felt that Kennedy was selling outito the\nCommunists\nthat Kennedy wascselling out to the Communists.\nQ.\nYou say he indicated that he knew this CARLOS here in\nNew Orleans; in what connection, how well or where?\nA.\nHe didn't say. At that time the whole thing didn't\nreally mean too much to me you've got to remember I\nwas in the homosexual underground and I was too busy\ntrying to have fun and hustle a buck. Still, I wasn't\nreally too interest, cause I could really care less.\nI mean, at this particular stage of the game.\nHe was under the influence, when he would talk\nHe was always extremely frightened when he was sober\nextremely frightened.\nQ.\nDid he ever tell you how he got to Houston or what he\ndid after the plane didn't show up?\nA.\nHe told me he drove.\nQ.\nAnd this what happened after the plane didn't show up?\nA.\nI don't believe I told you that, Steve. I don't recall\nnow how he told me he came back. He drove back.\nQ.\nDid he go down to Houston with anyone?\nA.\nYeah, three of them.\nQ.\nWhat was their purpose?\nA.\nHe claimed they went to -- and I find this very hard to\nswallow that anyone would go to Houston in November\nfrom New Orleans to iceskate cause I'm sure you must\nhave an iceskating rink here. I think that he made up.\nAn iceskating rink in Houston? It's hot in Houston in\nNovember.\nQ.\nWho were the men who went with him?'\nA.\nWell, this one I mentioned to you, TERRY LENDFORK.\nQ.\nTERRY LENDFORK. And who were the others?\nA.\nInaudible\nQ.\nNow you say when you first got down here leaving\nBogalusa youchecked into an hotel near the Continental\nTrailways\nA.\nAcross the street cater-cornered this way, or cater-\ncornered that way.\nQ.\nIt had no sign, I mean no name, just hotel.\nA.\nHotel, it had to have a name on it. Of course, it would\nbe in the VA records, the VA would have that.\nQ.\nWhy would they have it?\nA.\nBecause they had to pick up my luggage\nQ.\nYou were there the entire time you were here?\nA.\nYeah, I was there the entire time. Except for when I\nwould visit other places. I stayed there just about\nthe entire time, I would say.\n-13-\nQ.\nDid you meet anyone at the location, any names that you\ncan recall?\nA.\nDAVID came up there.\nQ.\nAfter you met him?\nA.\nAfter I met him. I didn't meet anyone there. When I\nfirst went there? No, no, no. Cause I didn't know\nwhere I was going, I had never been to New Orleans\nbafore.\nQ.\nWhat did you do with yourself when you first\nBrishure\nA.\nThe first thing I did was head toward after I was\nadmitted in the hotel -- was head toward Bourbon Street.\nEverybody's heard about Bourbon Street. So that's how\nI accidentally found Dixie's, Lafitte's and everyplace.\nuncurary\nQ.\nYou say you first met DAVID FERRIE in Dixie's. Is\nthat correct?\nA.\nYes.\nQ.\nWere you with anyone at that time?\nA.\nNo, I was still just new. nYou can't really say you\nwere with anyone, you know, bar places, just talking.\nQ.\nIn other words, no one had actually gone to the place\nwith you.\nA.\nNo, I didn't know anyone in New Orleans.\nQ.\nHOW long after youarrived here did you meet FERRIE?\nA.\nThe verynext day. You see the first night I went out\nand then the next night, the next afternoon\nQ.\nYou say he was with two young boys.\nA.\nYes.\nQ.\nDo you remember their names?\nA.\nNo, Mr. Alcock, I don't remember their names, because\nnames are something they just don't use too freely\nQ.\nYeah, I can understand that.\nA.\nin this particular world.\nQ.\nDO you think you'd recognize their picture today if you\nsaw them.\nA.\nSure, I remember. I remember one in particular.\nQ.\nWhat did he look like?\nA.\nHe was a very handsome young fellow, he had brownish-\nblond hair and he was about 6'\nQ.\nAbout how old would you say?\nA.\nI don't know. He appeared to be under the age to be in\na bar.\nQ.\nDO you recognize this man in the picture here?\nA.\nThat is the man whom DAVID FERRIE constantly referred\nto as KERRY THORNLEY.\nTharnley\nQ.\nAnd this person here?\nA.\nThat is KERRY THORNLEY.\nQ.\nWhere did you meet him?\nA.\nAt Lafitte's in Exile. And I don't know what --- he\nalways maintained that he was not an homosexual\n(Tape apparently turned off)\nWhat is all this mystique in this damn office?\nQ.\nThey would just rather not discuss things in front of\nyou that don't pertain to you or me. Now look at this\nboy here in this photograph. Do you recognize him?\nA.\n(Inaudible)\nQ.\nWho is it?\nA.\nI don't know his name, but I know him.\nQ.\nWhere did you meet him? Where did you meet this boy?\nA.\nHere in New Orleans. That's one of DAVID's boys.\nQ.\nDo you recognize that boy right there?\nA.\nI don't particularly\nDAVID knew this boy. I've seen him arand.\nQ.\nDAVID knew this person but you never saw him?\nA.\nI've seen him. You asked me if I knew him and I said\nno.\nQ.\nDo you remember where you saw him?\nA.\nIt had to be in one of the bars.\nQ.\nAnd you don't remember this boy's name but do you\nremember\nA.\nI can't say anything on the grounds of being\ncriminally intimidated.\nQ.\nDo you remember where you saw him?\nA.\nWith DAVID FERRIE, yes.,\nQ.\nDo you remember what building it was? In a bar or\nin a house?\nA.\nNo, this was kind of a hamburger place. The first time\nI saw him. Now this was not one of the two boys. He\nbears a strong resemblance to one of the two boys but\nthis was not one of the two boys but this boy I knew\nbut I cannot tell you how well I knew him.\nQ.\nLAYTON MARTENS, does that name ring a bell with you?\nA.\nIf his nickname is MARTY, then that's him. If his\nnickname is not MARTY, that's not him.\n(inaudible)\nQ.\nDo you recognize him?\nA.\nI'm not going to say for sure because if you look at\nthat you can sea that looks like so many people,\nnothing really distinguishable.\nQ.\nDoes the name SEELING ring a bell?\nA.\nNo.\nQ.\nNow I'm going to show you a photograph of many boys\nlined up in different rows, do you recognize any of\nthose? (Pause) In the front of the second line.\nDo you remember where you saw him or what his name was?\n(inaudible)\nQ.\nOh, I see.\nA.\nI can't say that I saw him here. His face is terribly\nfamiliar.\nQ.\nDo you know his name?\nA.\nNo.\nQ.\nOkay, here's another one.\nA.\nThis looks like Dr. THOMAS A. BECKHAM, doesn't it?\nBectham:\nQ.\nHow do you know DR. BECKHAM?\nA.\nHow do I know DR. BECK HAM?\nQ.\nYeah.\nA.\nI really don't know how I got to know him (Laughter).\nHe contacted me and wanted to know if I wanted to be a\npart of his organization. You've seen the correspondence.\nQ.\nWhat was the organization called?\nA.\nThe American Academy of Professional Art, at\nCollege in Omaha, which I checked the Chief of Police\nand\ndoes not exist, except on paper.\nLegally is does exist -- I must say this -- legally\nit does exist. (Inaudible)\nQ.\nGetting back to your first meeting with FERRIE, did\nyou go off with him that night anywhere? That first\nnight.\nA.\nHe wanted to, he wanted to.\nQ.\nDid you?\nA.\nNo. Just around to the bars and later on in the\nevening if you mean a hotel or apartment, nothing\nlike that later on in the evening I drifted back\nover and this guy, CLAY, as he called him CLARA, and\nit made him mad when he would do it. DAVID\ntoo much for this guy. He was not that. It appeared\nto me he had on make-up and I hear all the men down\nin\nwear earrings so that didn't so that\ndidn't shock me, so they\nhis shirt and everything and DAVID asked me if I\nwanted to go with him\nQ.\nThe first night you met DAVID you also met CLARA or\nCLAY SHAW.\nA.\nWhat is known to you as CLAY SHAW.\nQ.\nWhat was he introduced to you as the first night,\nCLARA?\nA.\nHeawasn't introduced to me. That's what he was called\nand he resented it greatly, believe me, he resented it.\nShaw:\nHe was introduced to me as a very important person, a\nvery nice person. And then he said something to me\nabout butch\nor something of that nature and then\nlater on when wa were up eating, supposed to be eating,\nat the bar -- I don't drink, by the way, I just drink\nCokes -- he patted me on the rear. And I warned him.\nI said don't do that again, I don't care who you are.\nI made quite am\nWho are you? Who in the hell are you? I mean I don't\nreally know him. Friek? I let him have it, too.\nI mean, so to speak, verbally. And he said I was only\nteasing and then did it again. And when he did smack\nall up. Right along side the head and he apologized,\nthe next time we got together, he apologized. When he\npassed by he dropped a five dollar bill, you know,\nlike I was a poor pauper\nthat was his way of apologizing to people.\nQ.\nWhen DAVID introduced him to you didn't he call him by\na name? Did he say, \"Here is ... or\"I want you to\nmeet. or something like that?\nA.\nAs I recall, the first time he used CLARA. He never\nused the name SHAW, never once, in that particular\nthing. In talking to me with him is the only time\nhe mentioned the word CLAY SHAW when he mentioned\nHALE BOGGS. He had that particular hatred for him.\nQ.\nWhat about\nA.\nHALE BOGGS. He had a hatred for CLAY SHAW, too.\nBecause I kind of suspect the way he discussed those\nfilms that SHAW had access to those films or had the\nfilms. I can't prove that.\nQ.\nWhat about the name BERTRAND?\n-17-\nA.\n(inaudible)\nQ.\nWhat about the name BERTRAND?\nA.\nHe never used the name BERTRAND, only the name BERT.\nQ.\nDid you ever go to his apartment?\nA.\nNo. I went to several places here in New Orleans,\napartment, but none that were identified as DAVID\nFERRIE's apartment or CLAY SHAW's.\nQ.\nYou never spent any time in FERRIE's apartment?\nA.\nThe only time I spent with FERRIE was when FERRIE\nstayed with me in my apartment. And this was when he\nhad things he claimed belonged to LEE HARVEY OSWALD\nand he claimed that he loved LEE and all that kind of\nbull.\nQ.\nYou told me that you had come in contact with some of\nthe possessions of LEE HARVEY OSWALD that belonged.\nA.\nA hat, a hat like a\nIt's like a hunter's cap, gray. And it had LH on\nthe front. And he claimed it belonged to LEE OSWALD.\nwhich he claimed belonged to LEE HARVEY OSWALD. It\nhad LEE written on it, engraved on it. And he said\nhe had a lot more of these but CLAY has been buying\nthem from me\nSo I strongly suspect this is one of the ways he got\nmoney. It's a weird situation. Blackmail's a weird\nsituation. He said one time, \"These are the only\nthing that's keeping me alive.\"\nQ.\nThese possessions?\nA.\nYeah.\nQ.\nDid he ever make a comment about LEE HARVEY OSWALD?\nA.\nI mentioned it earlier, he said he did not kill John\nKennedy.\nQ.\nDid he ever make a comment about LEE HARVEY OSWALD\nand his personal relationship with OSWALD?\nA.\nYes.\nQ.\nCan you something of what that was?\nA.\nNot on tape. (Pause in tape)\nDAVID has told me numerous times that KERRY THORNLEY\nThoraday:\nmaintains he is not a homosexual. But I say he is\nand I say to the whole world if he is not a homosexual\nwhy was he in homosexual bars, why\nif he not. And his resemblance to LEE HARVEY OSWALD\nis rather frightening. This DAVID pointed out.\n18-\nQ.\nDAVID pointed that out to you?\nA.\nYes. (inaudible)\nSo, I had told him that there was something incone of\nthe underground papers last week in Los Angeles\nand I remember it said \"From Kerry Thornley\" and I\ndidn't read it but I said to him, \"Is KERRY THONNLEY\nin Los Angeles?\" cause I got a little worried and he\ntold me no, he's in Florida.\nQ.\nTampa.\nA.\nI hope that's far enough away.\nQ.\nLet's see, you met SHAW with FERRIE on ona occasion\non the first night, now did you have another occasion\nwhen you met\nA.\nSecond and a third time.\nQ.\nAll right. Now the second time, who was present?\nA.\nDAVID had agreed to meet him in this place. Now I'm\nalmost positive it was on Bourbon Street, I'm not sure.\nsidewalk tables out there and a bar inside.\nWell, I sat at a table and ha came up in a very nice,\nlong chaffeured car. I think it was Cadillac, I\nremember that distinctly, it was a Gdillac and he got\nout\nDAVID and he went to the bar and that's when he dropped\nShoul:\nthe five dollar bill and said he was sorry for the\nother evening. And then they came out and when they\ncame out there was a cab out front and the cab had been\ncalled for us\nThen the other time was when DAVID met him and got the\nenvelope and told me the FBI was looking for me, that I\nwas in bad trouble. That they had a warrant out for my\narrest, were the exact words but I later learned\n(inaudible).\nQ.\nHOW did this man CLAY, or CLAY SHAW or BERT come to the\nrestaurant? How did he arrive there?\nA.\nYou mean in a car?\nQ.\nHow was he dressed and what did he ride in;in anything?\nA.\nHe was in a gray suit, a. very beautiful gray suit\nin a chaufeured car.\nQ.\nWhat kind of car?\nA.\nI said it was a car. I'm not I don't know that much\nabout cars, attleast I don't have a ar since the\ngovernment took my driver's license.\n-19-\n\"you've been a good boy, stay a good boy. Keep your\nmoney, keep everybody happy.\" (Inaudible) They\nsaid, \"You're crazy, we've got the papers.\" I said\nI've got papers now that show I'm competent and sane.\nQ.\nWhere did you get those papers?\nA.\nSanta Clara.\nQ.\nSanta Clàra in California.\nA.\nYes. With the help of Dr. WORTHINGTON (inaudible)\nQ.\nDR. WORTHINGTON, is he a psychiatrist?\nA.\nYes. (inaudible)\nI had not recorded my changeof address.\nQ.\nWhen DAVID FERRIE was discussing the assassination of\nPresident Kennedy with you did he openly admit to you\nthat he was involved or did he try and hide it or was\nhe so upset that he openly\nA.\nLet's put it this way. He I don't really believe\nthat he felt he was a part in the assassination. He\nwas doing a job that he had to do, He was forced to\ndo. Cause he was terrified of going to prison.\nQ.\nWhen you were on the STAN FORMAN show\nA.\nFrom what I hear about your Louisiana prisons, I'd be\nterrified about going to prison down here, too.\nQ.\nWhen you were on the Stan Forman show in Los Angeles\non the 8th of July in response to a question from\nMr. Forman, he said, \"Did DAVID FERRIE admit to you\nthat he was involved with these two assassins, that\nis CARLOS and the other one?\" and you said, \"Yes, he\nadmitted that.\nA.\nHe did. He did admit it. I mean you can't admit tha t\nyou fly the plane and not admit that you're involved.\nBut he never said to me\nkilling the\nPresident. He never said that one time.\nThe first time I met the man identified as CLAY SHAW\nDAVID had a difficult time convincing him that I was\nnot a communist He asked who I was and DAVID told\nhim that I was working in Bogalusa, a civil rights\nworker and all that, and he said oh, one of those\ncommunists.\n(inaudible).\n6 copies\nBROSHEARS #3\nRE: DAVID FERRIT\nCLAY SHAW\nIF: LEE CRISMAN\nMEMORANDUM\n\"ODD CHURCHES \"\nLAYTON MARTENS\nTHOMAS E. BECKHAM\nAugust 9, 1968\nTO:\nJIM GARRISON, District Attorney\nFROM:\nSTEPHEN JAFFE, Investigator\nRE:\nREV. RAYMOND BROSHEARS\nInterviewed in Assistant District Attorney\nJames Alcock's Office this date.\nJ.\nNow, the Universal Life Church was formed in 1960\nas an association. Who formed the church?\nB.\nThe church at that time was formed by a DR. KIRBY\nJ. HENSLEY, formerly from the State of North Carolina.\nHe is an illiterate, in this respect, he cannot read,\nnor can he write.\nJ.\nThe Universal Life Church was incorporated on the\n2nd of May, 1962. Can you say where?\nB.\nIt was incorporated in Modesto. It was incorporated\nas The Church of God under the Universal Life Church\nof Modesto, Incorporated. DR. HENSLEY drew up the\npapers, took them up to - or his wife drew them up\ndue to his illiteracy. He fooled you quite well,\nbut he does know his Bible by heart. That's through\nlearning it from his parents\nBut he took these,\npapers, typed up very crudely on ordinary stationary,\nwent to Sacramento and bullied his way, and pleaded\nand cajoled his way through Sacramento, and this is\nentirely unheard of because I've talked with many\ncorporate lawyers in the State of California, and they\ncannot understand how he was granted a corporate charter;\nhow he was granted articles of incorporation when you\nhave to do it on a legal form. But yet he did it and\nI have a photostatic copy of his articles of incorpor-\nation which are done up that way. And to me it is\nquite appalling because there are strikeovers marked\nout and I know the Corporate Board of the State of\nCalifornia did not allow this because they have turned\ndown many of my applications for corporation on legal\npaper because it was not spaced property. And yet\nDR. HENSLEY put in something that was absolutely\natrocious. This I've always thought a bit weird.\nJ.\nNow, you said it spread to 8,000 members; 3,800 outside\nof the United States.\nB.\nI did not say members.\nJ.\nMinisters?\nB.\nNo. You said members. I said ministers.\n-1-\nJ.\nOkay.\nB.\nI said ministers last night. There are now 8,000\nministers, affiliate membership numbers somewhere\nnear 100,000 now.\nJ.\nWhere are the branches of the church outside of the\nU. S.? You mentioned there were 14 foreign countries.\nB.\nIn Europe there is England, Sweden, Italy in particular.\nI have a listof all of the ones in Italy, and then\nUganda in the Continent of Africa, and several of the\nnew emerging African nations the people have been named\nBishops and like this for their égo purposes, and\nthey're growing quite large. In fact the head of -\nthe Bishop of the Uganda Church is the Defense Minister\nthere of Uganda, I think that is very interesting.\nJ.\nWhat's his name?\nB.\nI can't pronounce any of those black names. You forget\nit. I've got it at home.\nJ.\nWill you send it back? Send us.\nB.\nI'll send it to Mr. Alcock, yes.\nJ.\nNow do you know, for example, you just stated that the\nDefense Minister of Uganda is the head of the Universal\nLife Church there.\nB.\n10,000 members in his church inaUganda. He won't have\nhave it for long. It's more of a political party than\nanything religious.\nJ.\nCan you say another country where possibly a Defense\nMinister or another member of the government is known\nto you would be involved?\nB.\nI think you're projecting a bit because I don't know\nthese people's positions. I know the Mayor of a town\nin the Country of Guatemala is the head of the Universal\nLife Church in his city, but he is not the head of the\nchurch in Guatemala. DR. HENSLEY is the head of the\nchurch in Guatemala.\nJ.\nDR. HENSLEY of Modesto?\nB.\nYes. He is the head of the church in Guatemala.\nJ.\nDoes he go to Guatemala to take part in it?\nB.\nNo, he's never been there. He just - all through\ncorrespondence. There are several ministers in\nGuatemala, Honduras - British Honduras, Costa Rica,\nNicaragua; one of the Samosa brothers, I don't know\nwhichever one that is still alive, he wrote for our\npapers. He has been granted ministers and bishops\npapers with the Universal Life Church. Now, how he\nheard of it I do not know, and I understand that Samosa\n-2-\nis a very good conservative Roman Catholic, and it\nhas puzzled me why he wanted bishop's papers to the\nUniversal Life Church. But this is not for me to\nwonder, as DR. HENSLEY says, it's none of my business.\nI have gone through DR. HENSLEY's files quite exten-\nsively. DR. CARL MCINTIRE has papers with the\nUniversal Life Church.\nJ.\nWhat kind of papers?\nB.\nOrdination papers. Bishop's papers. As does HERBERT\nW. ARMSTRONG of Pasadena, who publishes the Plain Truth\nMagazine and the International Broadcasts is most\nextensive to all the English speaking nations in the\nworld, called \"The World Tomorrow\" under TED ARMSTRONG.\nAnd of course they of the \"I cannot fathom why the\nSamosa brothers would want ordination papers. There\nis only one left that I know of, of the Samosa brothers.\nI don't know too much about them. But this is typical\nof DR. HENSLEY's operations. He says, \"I will give\nordination papers to anybody who writes me. All they\nhave to do is write me in care of the Universal Life\nChurch, 1766 Poland Road, Modesto, California 95351,\nand I will send them ordination.\" And he said he\ndoes not care who they are, or what they are, or what\nthey're going to preach. They can preach hate -\nanything they want to preach because they only have\nto answer to the God within. This is DR. HENSLEY's\nbasis for giving out all of these ordinations that\nhe gives out. HENSLEY has operations in 14 different\ncountries, and I do not know the extent. The Italian\none seems to be fairly great. The one in Sweden\nalarms me. As a person, it's my own personal observa-\ntion. But he does have operations in Sweden. Several\nministers over there. I do know two recent deserters\nfrom the United States Armed Forces - what branch I\ndo not know - have written for ordination, and they\nhave been granted by KIRBY HENSLEY. Of course, KIRBY\nHENSLEY is known for his helping of draft dodgers by\ngranting them ordinations. But of course not all the\nDraft Boards are granting for the Divinity Classifica-\ntion because they have done this. I feel very strongly\nthat I'm - excuse me - keep my feelings out of it.\nNumerous intelligence men in the Long Beach Police\nForce have ordination papers with Universal Life Church,\nas L.A.P.D.S.O. - Sheriff's Office - intelligence.\nAlso FBI, Long Beach, and I know the FBI office in\nnumerous places have ordination papers with the\nUniversal Life Church. Now, these papers - they can\nget them under any name they want. They can use an\nalias because they don't have to furnish any proof that\nit is their name, so many people are using these for\nmany devious purposes. Of this, I am sure. Now these\npapers, I want to reiterate, are perfectly legal and\nvalid papers; and people are using these to impersonate\nministers, and some are really using them for legitimate\npurposes. People who do not have the college education\nare using them. One of the things I wanted to point\nout with the San Francisco office of the FBI is Agent\nknown to me as MANNING has a Universal Life Ordination.\nThis is one FBI man outside of JOE CONLON at the Long\n-3-\nBeach office who has bishop's papers. There are a\nMR. NEWMAN of the United States Secret Service has\nordination papers, but under another name. He told\nme that he wrote for them - that he wrote for them\nunder another name. Also, all of the FBI men in the\nSan Jose Office have ordination papers, but under\nother names. This I feel that I am responsible for.\nIt's my fault to a very great degree, and I'm not\ngoing to apologize for it. But the country Canada\nis one that I really overlooked to men as an important\npart of the Universal Life Church. Now this is tied\nin with TOM BECKHAM and some \"kook\" in Ontario. I've\ngot the name and address of the man who BECKHAM\nrecently visited in Ontario in connection with his\nparticular church, the Holy Orthodox Christian Churches\nwhichi he made me a bishop of. Holy! Holy: Holy! Ha,\nha. But, BECKHAM's organization is not a valid or-\nRE: BECKHAM:\nganization in the State of California so any papers\nthat he sends me subsequently mean nothing as far as\n(Q: WHO ARE THE\nmy own activities in the State of California. BECKHAM\nUPEOPLE\" TRYING To\nand HENSLEY have never met as of three months ago. Now\n\"TRACE HIM DOWN\" ?\nBECKHAM is out on the West Coast at this moment selling\nordinations and various peoples are trying to trace him\ndo\ndown and locate BECKHAM. BECKHAM brags it seems now of\nhis association with DAVID FERRIE, but yet he cannot\nspell FERRIE's name right. This appalls me. He spells\nFERRIE's name FERRY, and he said that he is not a\nhomosexuality - humm - person - he can't even use\nproper English, but I'm not so great myself. But\nanyhow BECKHAM had a great tie with FERRIE. This is\nBECKHAM\nhow BECKHAM got into the Ministry was through FERRIE\nhere in the City of New Orleans. As I related to Mr.\nGarrison last night, FERRIE got into the Ministry\nFERNIE\nof the Old Catholic Church through this \"kook\" JAMES\nup in Canada somewhere. That's what FERRIE claims. But\nI have conflicting reports on that from MICHAEL ITKIN\nwho it seems that Mr. Garrison knows. MICHAEL ITKIN is\na cardinal, or bishop, or pope, anything you want to\nname. He's it. And he had currently been stirring up\ntrouble in the San Francisco-Hate Ashbury, and in the\nBerkely area Telegraph. ITKIN has his own corporate\nbody called the HOLY EVANGELICAL CATHOLIC COMMUNION\nBROTHERHOOD OF LOVE, and they - ITKIN was exposed for\nmyself in the City of San Francisco but it did no good\nbecause now it seems that ITKIN is getting from mysterious\nsources and is able to print these documents and papers\nand is growing quite fast and quite large. HENSLEY got\ninto the so-called 'draft dodging' or helping the anti-\ndrafters through myself quite innocently - maybe. Or\nmaybe I got into it quite innocently. I can't figure\nout just what. But some young men wanted to be\nstudent ministers in my church in San Francisco, which\nwas called the Universal Church of Light which was\nlocated at 465 Garic, Studio B. It's a music studio.\nMADAM ROSALIE ZARGA (Zaga?) is the Manaer. Reverand\nANGELINA MILLER and REVERAND GERTA MAYS who are both\nlisted. REV. GERTA MAYS is listed in the directories.\nREV. ANGELINA MILLER is not, but she is listed in our\nmagazine. Her private telephone number is listed in\n-4-\nThe Light of Understanding. These people were all\non my staff of the church in San Francisco. Young\nmen - hippies -- started coming to me asking to be\nstudent ministers, I later learned, for their only\npurpose, for being ministers was to escape the draft.\nWhen I so learned, I spoke to them rather harshly,\nand it ended their association with me but by this\ntime they had already gone to Modesto, KIRBY HENSLEY\ngave them ordination papers, and this was the begin-\nning of KIRBY HENSLEY's anti-draft work which has\nbeen publicized in the New York Times extensively\nwhich led to a CBS telecast by MR. TERRY DRINKWATER.\nAnd this was on CBS evening news Walter Cronkite;\nCBS late night news local Los Angeles; and CBS morning\nnews with Douglas the next morning. Anyhow, HENSLEY\n- this is how he got into, or maybe the anti-draft\nmovement. HENSLEY is not -, of course he does not\nprofess to be anti-draft. But I do think it is\nstrange, because after this I personally contacted\nthe Attorney General of the State of California, MR.\nTOM LYNCH, and MR. FRANK JORDAN the Secretary of State\nwho has control over such matters as the corporate\nbodies existing in their State. MR. LYNCH and MR.\nCHURCHES\"\nJORDAN both told me that DR. KIRBY HENSLEY they can\nfind nothing wrong with his operations even though\nI had pointed out the CBS telecast, the New York Times\ndisclosures, and the disclosures over the wire services -\nAssociated Press and United Press International. And\nyet these men, State elected officials, appointed\nofficials - MR. JORDAN - most of his people. MR.\nJORDAN is elected. Excuse me. He's elected every\nyear. He has been in so long I thought he was appointed.\nHe's been in about 30 years. But anyhow, these\ngentlemen told me that they can find nothing wrong\nwith KIRBY HENSLEY's operations and they said -\nwanted to question me why I was coming to them to ask\nthem to close him down when I used to be a part of\nDR. HENSLEY's operation, and I told them that DR.\nHENSLEY used to be an honorable, honest man, but now\nhe has gone into what I feel - things that are detri-\nmental to the security of the country of the United\nStates. I have seen other people prosecuted and sent\nto prison for doing the things far minor against the\ndraft than what KIRBY HENSLEY has said on coast-to-\ncoast TV, and is currently doing. He now has 8,000\nministers. Of these 8,000 I would have to say very,\nvery truthfully, because I know this to be a fact,\nthat over 3,00 of them are draft-dodgers. And I want\nto say, of the 3,000 draft-dodgers, that approximately\n1,800 have received 4-D Divinity classifications from\ntheir Draft Boards. And I want to point out to you\nthat when they receive a 4-D classification, they\ncannot be drafted, nor can their classification be\nchanged, my understanding of the Selective Service\nlaws in the State of California. DR. KIRBY HENSLEY's\norganization is incorporated in 27 other states. This\nis something I neglected to mention earlier. 27 other\nstates. The last being the State of Nevada. The latest\n-5-\nI should say. He plans to have it incorporated\nin every single State of the Union. Where he is\ngetting the money for this is really beyond me.\nWhere KIRBY HENSLEY is getting the money all along\nis beyond me, because he has never - I want to\nrepeat - he has never advertised in any publication,\nmajor or minor, with the exception of our magazine,\nThe Light of Understanding, and KIRBY HENSLEY's ad-\nvertisement in there just says merely \"Universal\nLife Church\", Modesto, California, and gives the\naddress, but it does not say \"Get an Ordination\", or\n\"Buy and Ordination\", or anything. But I want to\npoint out that DR. HENSLEY does not sell his ordin-\nations. He gives them to you free. Scott free. He\ndoes not sell them. So, I want to emphasize this\nover and over, and I would appreciate Mr. Ivon and\neveryone in this - I would appreciate everyone in\nthis particular office writing to DR. HENSLEY under\nassumed names with post office boxes preferably,\nmaybe General Delivery or just anyone else's address,\nand write for ministerial papers just to see how this\ndoes work, and sure enough an ordination paper will\nCHURCHES\narrive for them. I do not know his procedure on\nhanding out the bishop's papers now. Usually - I\ncan't really say how he hands out the bishop's papers.\nI was pointing out earlier about the bishop of Uganda,\nHENSLEY is on the board of TOM BECKHAM's American\nAcademy of Professional Arts, as is FRED LEE CHRISMAN\nof Tacoma, Washington, and vice versa in all the other\norganizations. MICHAEL ITKIN, who heads up the\nEvangelical Catholic Communion, which I talked about\nearlier. for a moment, have extensive information on\nITKIN's bullshit which I will send to the New Orleans\noffice on this particular portion because I did not\nknow that ITKIN had been in New Orleans, and had been\nthe great source of trouble that he had been in this\nCity. MORELAND BALLARD of Baltimore is the man who\nis supposedly - I want to point this out - supposedly\nordained DAVID FERRIE. Now, I have no way of checking -\nI do have ways of checking this out, but I would have\nto have permission from Mr. Garrison or one of his\nMr. Alcock, the two men who are involved in the liti-\ngation of this particular investigation because I\nwould not want to embarrass them by going to San\nFrancisco and talking with the various people uptthere\nin the Evangelical Communion and ask them about this\nbecause ITKIN has never - I want to point out - ITKIN\nhas never met FERRIE. ITKIN has met TOM BECKHAM, and\nof course ITKIN has met BALLARD. I have spoken with\nBALLARD long distance on the telephone from San Jose\nwhen I was helping the FBI with the investigation of\nthe Students 'for Democratic Society in San Jose, but\nlet me add that the investigation in San Jose was not\nof my doing. That was the suggestion of certain people\nin the federal government that I assisted because I\nhad many young people who were attending San Jose State\nCollege who were involved in SDS, and I did my dirty\ndeed. I'm not going to try and justify it, and I'm not\n-6-\ngoing to say I'm ashamed of it because at the time\nI did it - that's it. But anyhow, I'm starving to\ndeath right now. When I talked to BALLARD IN\nBaltimore, BALLARD said that he knew nothing of\nITKIN except that ITKIN came through Baltimore;\nITKIN was a hypocritical egotistical little bastard\nwho wanted to connect up with the Old Catholic Church\nof which BALLARD claimed he was the Metropolitan\nBishop. I have seen papers to this effect that say\nthat BALLARD is the Metropolitan Bishop of it. But\nBALLARD said that he was - I did not ask BALLARD\nanything about New Orleans or anything of this nature.\nBut as far as ITKIN in New Orleans, I know nothing -\nI knew nothing until last night that ITKIN had ever\nbeen to this particular area. I know ITKIN has a\nfantastic hatred. ITKIN is a homosexual - a rather\nflagrant homosexual, wanton. But ITKIN has never\nmentioned even being to this City. ITKIN is much\nyounger than myself. I am 33. ITKIN, I would say,\nis closer to 27, maybe 28. He could be older, but\nI doubt very seriously. I'm sure Mr. Garrison knows.\nthe Twentieth Century Reformation Church is McINTIRE's\norganization. They're associated with the BILLY JAMES\nHARGIS anti-Communist crusade, this Christian crusade\nthat is throughout the South - the Bible Belt in which\nCHURCHES\"\nhe rakes in the shekels from the \"little lambs\", And\nMCINTIRE is also associated with FRED SCHWARTZ in the\nCity of Long Beach where I reside, and his anti-\nCommunist Christian Crusade. FRED SCHWARTZ is about\nas anti-Communist as Fidel Castro. I have been asked\nquestions by Mr. Jaffe concerning EDGAR EUGENE BRADLEY.\nEDGAR EUGENE BRADLEY as all well know, had\npurchased a bus ticket and said that he was en route\nand arrived, and knew nothing of the assassination of\nPresident Kennedy until he arrived in El Paso. As\nanyone knows, that particular route of the bus, BRADLEY -\nand any bus of the Greyhound or Trailways, you may\nget off any any designated stop, any place you want,\nand re-join another bus coming through later on, and\nno one knows the difference. And this is what allegedly\nhappened with BRADLEY in the City of Dallas. I, myself,\nhave done this on bus trips, and so I know it can be\ndone. So BRADLEY's story there does not hold water\nbecause there is no one on the bus, if anyone who has\ntravelled cross-country as BRADLEY claimes he was\ndoing, if you travel cross-country with people and\nyou do not get off a bus, people remember you regardless.\nI mean you strike up acquaintanceship, and I don't care\nif you are the most introverted person, this is the\npart of BRADLEY's story which proves conclusively to\nme that this man - of course this is my own personal\nopinion - this man is lying in this particular case.\nOf course, DAVID FERRIE had mentioned him casually,\nbut I do want to point out this part about BRADLEY\nthat there are pictures that I have looked at here\nthat are quite shocking to me. I see a man which I\nknew as RED STOWE with EDGAR EUGENE BRADLEY. I thought\n-7-\nat first the pictures were of Parish Prison, but\nthey are not of Parish Prison they are Dealey\nPlaza, and this is RED STOWE a \"punk\", \"hustler\",\n\"alcoholic\", a roll-them-over beat-em-up, anything\nhe can do. He is in the pictures with the man\nalleged to be BRADLEY. Now this man in the picture\nBRADLEY says is not himself. The Dallas Police\nForce says it is not BRADLEY. But, the striking\nsimilarity -- the similarity is too great for it not\nto be BRADLEY. It has to be. I cannot be anyone\nelse but BRADLEY, because this is how BRADLEY looks\nwhen he is carousing. People who - in Los Angeles\nat the moment who have seen BRADLEY, and I have seen\nBRADLEY, it looked like BRADLEY because I have seen\nBRADLEY recently in a carousing mood in - out on the\nStrip, and this was BRADLEY in the - Hollywood by\nFarmer's Market. I had seen him out near - he had\non a sport shirt, tousled - his hair was tousled,\nmuch like the picture that I now see that is Dealey\nPlaza. It looked like him. It looked nothing like\nthe pictures that are in the courtroom there. Of\ncourse at the time I did not know that was EDGAR\nEUGENE BRADLEY except the face was horribly familiar.\nAnd of course he's been on - his pictures have been\non TV and in the newspapers quite a bit in California,\nand -- but I did not associate that particular man at\nthat time with the pictures that I'd seen on television,\nbecause all the pictures there had been of a man very\nneatly dressed, hair combed right down to a speck. But\nthis, the pictures here of the man at Dealey Plaza\nare EDGAR EUGENE BRADLY that I have seen in some of\nhis carousing moments.\nFERRIE was mentioning the Voice of Americanism by the\nanti-Communist Christian Crusade, BILLY JAMES HARGIS'\ncrusade, and also MCINTIRE. The Voice of Americanism,\nI want to point out, comes from Pasadena, California,\nand plays a very important role. BRADLEY was allegedly\ngoing from McINTIRE's to the Voice of Americanism,\nwhich is headed up by - Jaffe remembers the story, It\nis in The Free Press, the name of this man who BRADLEY\nhas a great deal of association with. The Voice of\nAmericanism from Pasadena, California, a religious\nbroadcast? The story was supposedly showing atrocities\nby the Vietcong, when in reality I, myself, recognize\nthe picture right off, and had screamed to the radio\nstation, KGR in Long Beach, that that picture was\ntaken as a still from the movie \"The Sand Pebbles\",\nand this is the picture used by the gentleman, CLYDE\nMcBURNIE is his name. Now it is coming to me. CLYDE\nMcBURNIE is his name, and he and EDGAR EUGENE BRADLEY,\nMcINTIRE and HARGIS and SCHWARTZ, they're all in the\nsame particular bag. They all know one another. Whether\nthey admit it or not this is absolute fact because I'm\nthe Pasadena police if they were in a cooperative mood\ncould tell you if they put out surveillance, they would\nsee the cars, of SCHWARTZ in Pasadena at McBURNIE's\nhouse. And this also goes to GARNER TED ARMSTRONG at\nthe \"Plain Truth\" Magazine, the World Tomorrow broadcast\ncoming from Pasadena. I think it's quite interesting\n-8-\nthat a great deal of the radical right-wing activities\nreligious-wise come out of Pasadena and Long Beach.\nIn connection, when FERRIE had said CARLOS was to fly\nto Houston, this is where BRADLEY's name came up.\nBRADLEY was not one of the two people, but I said,\n\"How many were there?\", and he said there was more\nthan two. I said, \"Who is the other one?\", and he\nsaid the other one involved a guy by the name - some\nkind of nut by the name of BRADLEY. He says one of\nthese religious fanatics. Now he did not use the\nname EDGAR EUGENE BRADLEY. He said \"BRADLEY\". When\nhe used the word \"BRADLEY\", I mentioned - I asked him\nwhat he was referring to, and he said BRADLEY was a\nminister. And this is how I learned that DAVID FERRIE\nwas a \"priest\". A Catholic Priest. BRADLEY was a\nminister with MCINTIRE's organization. He has papers\nwith numerous of these radical right ministerial groups.\nBRADLEY is an ordained minister. He does not profess\nto be to anyone. He's is just EUGENE BRADLEY who\nworks for McINTIRE and his group in New Jersey. I\nwant to point out one thing which I have not pointed\nout to anyone before, MCINTIRE is associated very\nloosely, but is associated with a person who knows\nBRADLEY in New Brunswick, New Jersey, and this man's\nname is TIMOTHY BECKLEY. TIMOTHY BECKLEY is a\nUFO-ologist - flying saucers to you all. But BECKLEY\nknows something of BRADLEY because in a Newsletter\nsent out not too long ago by BECKLEY's UFO group\nthere in New Brunswick, I have the full title of\nBECKLEY's - it's on Courtland Place - have the full\naddress and all in Long Beach, and here, now, it seemed\ninsignificant at that time, but he inserted a little\narticle sticking up for EDGAR EUGENE BRADLEY and saying\nthat he had nothing to do with the assassination of\nPresident Kennedy. I thought it was quite curious -\nit was quite curious to me that he even inserted this\nin the UFO magazine, there was no need for. That's\nmy personal opinion. But this makes me wonder about\nBECKLEY and his association with McINTIRE. They're\nboth in the State of New Jersey and just a short\ndistance from one another. BECKLEY, by the way, has\nminister's papers with the Universal Life Church. The\nUniversal Life Church is an incorporated body in the\nState of Texas. There are numerous Universal Life\nministers, and I could not even begin to go into right\nnow all the names of that I know of, If I can get on\nKIRBY HENSLEY's good side again, and could go through\nthe records in Modesto again it would be of great help.\nBut right now I'm on KIRBY's bad side. Yes, there are\nministers in Dallas. There are ministers in Dallas\nand Fort Worth and Arlington. The Sky Ministry is in\nArlington. That is the Universal Life Church minister\nwho conducts what he calls a Sky Ministry: He drops\nleaflets. According to him, he drops leaflets.\nReligious leaflets. And he is a Sky Pilot minister\nin Arlington. He has a Fort Worth post office box.\nAngel Wing, Texas is another portion of the Universal\n-9-\nLife Church down there which he claims that he raises\nmoney for an Angel Wing orphanage in Angel Wing, Texas.\nThere is no such address as \"Angel Wing\" - a town as\nAngel Wing that I have been able to discover. I do\nhave an address for the Angel Wing Ranch. I have been\nasked if I had the name of The Church of the Abundant\nLight. This is a very familiar name to me in connec-\ntion with MICHAEL ITKIN. This is one of the churches\nin his ecumenical movement. I have been asked concern-\ning whether I' tried to leak out some information under\nthe guise of a seance in the - ah - there was no seance,\nbut I wrote it in the Light of Understanding and this\nwas one way, I felt, of trying to leak certain things\nout to the public. But I will say this, the response\nfrom the spiritualist people in the country has been\none million per cent overwhelming and they all accept\nwhat has been given there in that article as gospel\ntruth. Which it is - gospel truth - as the way I have\nlearned it from ah.\nFERRIE referred to RUBY, he never used the word \"RUBY\"\nonce - he referred to JACK as \"a fat clown from Dallas;\nand he's a faggot, and he likes to eat pussy\", which\nis not unusual in the homosexual underworld. A lot of\nthem like to get it in the rear, while eating the\npussy. Shocking Mr. Garrison? Lovely. Yes, this is\none thing I believe very strongly - well this is some-\nthing he was very emphatic upon. In fact, this is one\nof his more serious moments when he was high. Now, as\nI said before, I cannot swear up and down that it was\nliquor because I don't think one or two beers puts\nanybody stoned. But he did take a great amount of\npills because he was a fantastically nervous person.\nBut as I stated many times before, he was an intelligent\nperson and a brain attract more than a physical body.\nFERRIS:\nBut anyhow his - he mentioned TIPPIT - OFFICER TIPPIT.\nNow, he mentioned TIPPIT and OSWALD and RUBY as being\nin the same \"cell\". Now, I'm sure this was not a jail,\nand the only things that's been used as cells in America,\nthe term \"cells\" has been applied to Communist groups.\nNow RUBY, according - \"FAT JACK the clown\", had been\nreferred to by RUBY --- by, excuse me, I've got Ruby on\nthe brain - by FERRIE as not having any love for Kennedy,\nso this is why this later display of killing OSWALD was\nso phoney to FERRIE himself. And he said that TIPPIT\ndid not - that TIPPIT was a part of the cell as OSWALD.\nOSWALD did not shoot President Kennedy; that OSWALD ran\nout and as he did BOB threatened to shoot him. Now BOB\nworks at the Book Depository as did - all told, there\nwere three of them who worked at the Book Depository\nand who were in the same cell, and I believe OSWALD\nwas infiltrating this cell for the Federal Bureau of\nInvestigation as this was what was intimated more than\nonce by DAVE, that OSWALD was working for the FBI. In\nfact, I don't think he kept stressing that point a little\ntoo much to where I have more or less sluffed it off.\nBut, now that I am getting a better picture of it, I\ncan see where this is a great - of great importance\n-10-\nbecause Mr. Hoover has a phobia and a passion about\nthe Communists and so this would fit in with his\nplans the more that you dwell on the subject. But\nhe did say that he was in a \"cell\" with them, and he\nsaid that - now I learned about the all points bulletin\nrecently from Mr. Lane and Steve Jaffee being sent out,\nand it was sent uh - TIPPIT uh could not have possibly\nrealistically received the bulletin yet met OSWALD at\nthis theater. How did OFFICER TIPPIT know that OSWALD\nwas going to the theater. This is the one thing that\nFERRIE pointed out. Well, this was what I was pointing\nout. OSWALD had been in the theater, though. This is\nwhat I was pointing out. OSWALD had been into the\nmotion picture theater. This is what FERRIE said. He\nhad been in the motion picture theater to hide, and\nhe became paranoid in the dark, and as, I guess, anyone\nwould in this particular situation. The people are\ntelling me now - I don't know about what Garrison has\nhere, and I do not know what the Warren Commission\nReport says, but, DAVID said that there was one person -\nTIPPIT - in the squad car. But now, since the visit\nof Mark Lane, I related this to LT. COWAN - Lt. JOHN\nCOWAN and LT. COWAN says that's wrong, that FRED COLE\ntold him that there were two men in the car; that\nDallas at that time did not have two men in cars, and\nthere were not two men in that car, there was only one\nman OFFICER TIPPIT, and it is standard procedure in\nthe City of Dallas Police Department, according to\nLT. COWAN, that no one single officer on an all points\nbulletin like that approaches what is considered to be\nan armed and dangerous person alone. So this shoots\nthe TIPPIT story all to hell as far as police science,\nand as far as LT. COWAN is concerned. He said that this\nis the only thing that makes him wonder.\nPOSSIBLE MISINFORMATION\nORIGINATING FROM FERRIE-\nJAFFE:\nWho shot TIPPIT?\nBUT Mis INFORMATION, IN\nSteve Jaffee has asked me who shot TIPPIT. FERRIE\nsaid OSWALD shot and killed TIPPIT, and if I wasin\nOSWALD's shoes, I would have shot and killed TIPPIT.\nThe other patrol car arrived just shortly after the\nkilling of TIPPIT from fear, because he knew TIPPIT\nANY CASE\nwas going to kill him. He knew TIPPIT.\nJ.\nDid FERRIE know TIPPIT?\nHe just asked if FERRIE knew TIPPIT. I can't say.\nFERRIE said he knew a Dallas policeman. That may not\nhave been TIPPIT. They've got umteen thousand men on\nthat force. FERRIE talked about GEN. WALKER to - he\nwas pointing out how powerful MR. SHAW was and H. LAMAR\nHUNT. He kept trying to tie them together, but of\ncourse Mr. Garrison last night pooh-poohed that. He\nsaid that DAVID had more intelligence than that. Or\ncourse, Mr. Garrison knew DAVID better than I, I guess.\nSo, Mr. Garrison's right I guess, but I - but this is\nwhat he stated. That ah - he said to show you the\npower, he says the FBI tried to put WALKER away in the\ncriminally insane hospital - federal hospital, Springfield,\nMissouri, and they were completely unsuccessful because\n-11-\nLAMAR HUNT got him out. It was all HUNT's money and\nit's still HUNT's money that is pushing WALKER around\nthe country. He said WALKER had a fantastic hatred\nfor JOHN F. KENNEDY. I don't think this fact is\nunknown to anyone. I think it's a well-known fact\nthat he felt that Mr. Kennedy was a Communist, or a\n\"Pinky\". He stated so in various speeches. FERRIE\nclaimed that SHAW was in touch with all the radical\nright groups; that SHAW wanted to preserve the Anglo-\nSaxon Protestant White area and race, and that included\nhis doing away with all black people. I had to mention\nthat because DAVID didn't.\nJ.\nHad DAVID mentioned planning with OSWALD concerning\nthe assassination?\nB.\nDAVID never said anything about planning with OSWALD\nconcerning the assassination. He only had this sexual\nthing with OSWALD as far as I know. Of course, I am\nsure there was far more to it than that from what I am\nnow viewing. But the only one that he had discussed\nthat he was contracted through blackmail that the 16\nyear old boy - the sexual thing which SHAW allegedly\nhas the pictures, or the film - DAVID did reiterate\nthat it was a film, and that he had been shown pictures,\nand been given pictures. But this is how he was\ncontracted to fly to - on down to Honduras and to\nPanama and then on over into Cape Town. DAVID did not\nreceive his orders from SHAW to go to the airport.\nDAVID received his orders from going out on the St.\nCharles streetcar and I'm sure that you people here\nin New Orleans know what is out - if the agency has a\nman out on St. Charles Street in a fine home out there,\nbecause they had always described it as \"a fine home\",\n\"gracious home\". DAVID also said that he picked up a\nlot of his things at his detective agency at which he\nwas a private investigator, which I do not believe\nstill to this day despite what Mr. Garrison has said.\nI appreciate Mr. Garrison, but anyone who has met\nDAVID FERRIE cannot even begin to believe him as a\nprivate detective. BANISTER is the name that he\nmentioned most prominently over there and\nand a person named NOVEL. NOVEL, yes. NOVEL can fly,\nhe's not an angel, but he can fly. Something to the\neffect about flying. But, I thought the name was more\nMOREL but it is NOVEL. He never said BANISTER told him\nwhere to go. He just went to what I now know as 544\nCamp. 544 Camp, and this is where he received some of\nhis brown envelopes similar to the brown envelope I\nsaw that BERT, as he called him, handed him that\nFERRIE 4 MONEY\nevening in the long blue or bluish-black, could be\nblack, at night under New Orleans street lights it\ncould have been blue. It could have been black,\nCadillac. He asked me if we talked about CHRISMAN, I\nsaid we have talked about CHRISMAN. I mentioned.\nCHRISMAN's association with the various churches, but\nI did not go into it in detail, no.\nF. LEE CHRISMAN has been with the Universal Life Church\nCRISMAN:\nsince about 1964 I understand from DR. HENSLEY.\nCHRISMAN contacted KIRBY HENSLEY. BECKHAM contacted\nKIRBY HENSLEY. Numerous of these poeple involve here\nhad contacted KIRBY HENSLEY. KIRBY HENSLEY contacted\nno one. As I said, he did no advertising until The\nLight of Understanding, and that is only recently.\nBISHOP F. LEE CHRISMAN of Tacoma, Washington, he has\na post office box. The exact address for CHRISMAN, if\nMr. Garrison does not have it, I will be more than\nhappy to send to Mr. Garrison.\nCHRISMAN, anyhow, seems to be quite a will-o-the-wisp.\nCHRISMAN contact all of the, shall we say, little\nreligious organizations anywhere, including my own.\nHe is located in Tacoma, Washington. F. LEE CHRISMAN\nis a homosexual, first, last and always. In this\nrespect he likes to have fun. He has one - he has\na permanent lover. He has a permanent lover in Tacoma.\nThe name of the man I do not know. The man has been\nto Modesto, and Sister HENSLEY did not like him. Of\ncourse, SISTER HENSLEY does not like homosexuals\nperiod. She doesn't know I am, until - I'm sure she\ndoes now with that Free Press article. CHRISMAN does -\nhe does not - now branches of the Universal Life\nCRISMAN:\nChurches was - Jaffee asked me about \"branches -\nthere is no such thing as a \"branch\". Each church is\nindependent and completely, - they are completely\nautonomous, so there is no branch, so that he must\ncontact each individual church. He cannot do it\nthrough Modesto because Modesto will not - supposedly\nwill not help anyone. They have helped me on\noccasion, I will say this. But CHRISMAN seems to be-\ncome involved in most all other things. He is also\na member of DR. FRED SCHWARTZ's anti-Communist\nChristian Crusade, I would like to point out because\nI happen to have seen his name on the mailing list\ndown by FRED SCHWARTZ's place at 137 E. First Street\nin Long Beach. I went in there one day and I don't\nthink I'm welcome there any more. I was asked how\ndo I think CHRISMAN receives his money. Well, I'm\nsure he doesn't make it as being a prostitute sexually\nbecause he's not that - he's not desireable in any way\nshape or form to my way of thinking, and he has to pay\nfor what he gets. And so CHRISMAN - his source of\nmoney is indeed mysterious, except that he is hooked\nup with such groups as The Circle of Loving Companion\nand the other religious organizations that I have\nmentioned. While he has his own thing to save the\nAmerican Indians, and I learned last night from Mr.\nGarrison he's getting a Poverty Program grant, trying\nto for the Gypsies.\nI have not mentioned The Circle of Loving Companions\nbecause I was meditating more after I left last night -\nthe meeting with Mr. Garrison - on The Circle of Loving\nCompanions, and the address is on Washington Boulevard.\nI said 2205½, but the more I think about it, it is\n2255½ Washington Blvd., but the exact address is not\nimportant at this moment. I will have that address to\nMr. Garrison, and there are several bull dykes there\nand several male homosexuals also. And this group\n-13-\nCHRISMAN is also associated with, and they seek to\nraise money. In fact, I had mentioned a bit that\nCHRISMAN was -- now I want to point - CHRISMAN was\ninvolved with DICK GREGORY. I have - I have really\nfailed to mention this. It is in this issue of the\nLight of Understanding. I did not put CHRISMAN's\nname, nor did I put GREGORY's name in it concerning\nthe Pallioupe and the Nesquali Indians of the State\nof Washington where Governor Evans is with the\ncommercial fishing industries taking away their\nfishing rights. And these tribes live on the river.\nCRISMAN:\nThey've always lived off of the fishing that they\nhave received, and now this has been taken away from\nthem. DICK GREGORY went up there recently, and was\nthere with CHRISMAN demonstrating, trying to help\nthese people. A girl by the name of CLOUD is in-\nvolved in this to an extent, and she is a friend of\nF. LEE CHRISMAN. She is also a minister with the\nUniversal Life Church. DICK GREGORY was up. there.\nDICK GREGORY was subsequently sentenced to jail,\nserved considerable amount of days in which he fasted,\nsupposedly, in a county jail in the State of Washington.\nBut this is a recent thing where CHRISMAN was involved\nin something with another type of a group which is\nDICK GREGORY. I'm. sure GREGORY didn't know CHRISMAN\nfrom anything. GREGORY is tied up with the Peace\nand Freedom Party. CHRISMAN has no tie-up with the\nPeace and Freedom Party. I have checked this out very\nclosely because I, at one time, tried to seize control\nof the Peace and Freedom Party in Southern California.\nI admit this quite freely. Because I felt that it\nwould be a good vehicle because I have been just a\nlittle bit more than disturbed at Mr. Johnson. But,\nthe Peace and Freedom Party has taken a radical course\nwhich I cannot participate in.\nSteve Jaffee just asked me about DAVID FERRIE and The\nUniversal Life Church. There was no mention from\nDAVID FERRIE of the Universal Life Church. No mention\nwhatsoever. I have not checked the records recently,\nbut I have been told that there was a young man involved\nin the Kennedy assassination. Now, the word \"young\"\nwas used, and so this may put aside DAVID FERRIE; but\na young man involved in the Kennedy assassination in\nODD\nNew Orleans has papers with the Universal Life Church.\nThis could be also my dear little friend MR. MARTENS.\nCHURCHES\"\nThis was told to me by MR. HENSLEY's little 14 year\nold daughter who you can get most anything out of if.\nyou know how to get around her, yes. She's just an\ninnocent little girl. She doesn't really know anything.\nThe whole HENSLEY family is quite naive with the\nexception of SISTER HENSLEY, and this is why such an\norganization - Mr. Garrison put this into my mind last\nnight - I can see how such an organization can be taken\nover and.used. Now, I want to point out a very\ninteresting person DOUGLAS - whose name is DOUGLAS.\nLLOYD DOUGLAS. He has a church and lives at 1731 North\nLake Street in the City of Pasadena. Here we go\n-14-\n\"Pasadena\" again. DOUGLAS is the Vice-President of\nthe. Universal Life Church. He has sent HENSLEY con-\nsiderable - well into the hundreds - of dollars,\nwithin the past, well this was prior to my coming\ndown here, within six months he'd sent him several\nhundred dollars of thanking him for his wonderful\nthings and praising him, and then DR. HENSLEY - an\nopening came for the Vice Presidency and ah which\nwas vacated by MR. MAYALL - REV. MAYALL of Bakersfield\nwho is the Chairman - who is now the head of GEORGE\nWALLACE'S American Independent Party in the State of\nCalifornia, I'd like to point out. He was the Vice\nPresident of the Universal Life Church. I have seen\npictures of him in space suits. Don't ask me why.\nHe's in space suits. But anyhow, - I was asked if\nEDGAR EUGENE BRADLEY is tied in with GOVERNOR GEORGE\nWALLACE'S group. I cannot say because I do not know.\nExcept that I do know that BILLY JAMES HARGIS is back-\n\"O.DD\ning the candidacy of GOVERNOR WALLACE as CAR -\nCHARGES\nCardinal McIntire. We got a cardinal in Los Angeles\ncalled McIntire and I keep on calling him Cardinal\nMcIntire. DR. MCINTIRE in New Jersey. DR. MCINTIRE\nhas come out very strongly in favor of GEORGE C.\nWALLACE. A recent broadcast I heard this on. KGER\nin Long Beach. Religious radio station. I wanted\nto point that out that there was considerable funds\nby a dance put on in the City of Seattle. Some of\nthe \"rock bands\" - is that what they call them? -\nsome of the \"rock bands\" up there for DICK GREGORY\nand all of them, there was funds raised for that\nand it was sponsored by a religious group. I have\nnot been able to find what religious group, but I\nam sure if it was sponstred by any religious group in\nthe State of Washington, it was F. LEE CHRISMAN\nbecause he was involved in the demonstrations for\nthe Pallioupe and Sesquali Indians, and this all\nhappened just à month and a half ago.\nMr. Jaffee has asked me about the ten millionth time\nhow DAVID PERRIE felt about his part in the assassina-\ntion of President Remedy. DAVID FERRIE, from what\nhe would tell me maybe out of conscience or what, or\nout of fear, bet all he would say to me is that he\nwas paid and 24 had to do what he was doing, and then\nFERRIE:\nhe went back = that film with the 16 year old boy.\nIf this film = the 16 year old boy could be found,\nI think this the key to breaking the whole\nthing. In would like to find out who the\n16 year old I have been asked earlier by\nMr.\nJaffee\nSHISTER gave him his orders, or\nOSWALD.\n7\nR:\nnot ask me if BANISTER -- about\nthe meeting\nHe never stly any meetings or anything\nof that Its: everything took place at the -\nwhere he Tie assassination - his part. Now\nhe\ndid\nnot\nhe was assassinating the President.\nI want\nthis, because he really didn't\nfeel that he was assassinating the President. And\nI don't know what Mr. Garrison has him indicted for.\nI have not seen the indictment, I would love to see\nit, but, well I have been told that he was indicted\nfor conspiracy to assassinate the President of the\nUnited States. But FERRIE did not feel that he was\nconspiring to assassinate the President of the United\nStates, but they took place at the mysterious dwelling\nFERRIE:\nwherever it is out on St. Charles Street, and I have\nsince asked a bellhop where I'm staying here in the\nCity of Orleans, and they told me that all the homes\nout on St. Charles are very, very palatial type\nplaces and they are very old, and they are very lavely,\nand they are owned by fine people. The lawyer that\nwas supposed to defend me - KOHN - I had mentioned to\nhim about KOHN who was to come to defend me in my\nparticular episode up in Bellville, Illinois when I\nwas in a Civil Rights demonstration up there. Now\nKOHN is not the same KOHN that Mr. Jaffee just\nmentioned. He said ROY KOHN. This is a ROY KOHN\nbut sure it is not the same KOHN because I have\nmet this KOHN and he is what they call the steriotype\nJewish person, and totally unlike the person if Mr.\nJaffee is referring to the people in the Army-McCarthy\nhearings. This is not the person, no. This is not\nthe person because - but this person is related to\nthat person. That I do know because he discussed\nthis particular facet. I do not know why anyone was\nso interested in getting me off of that. They\nprobably could have gotten me off of it, but I feel\nthat I did the better thing, just serve my particular\nlittle sentence and got out. Well, Steve wanted me\nto mention some of the things - little things, or\nmaybe big things, it's debatable. Let Mr. Garrison\ndecide that. I've told Mr. Jaffee, Stephen out at\nmy place in Long Beach, that DAVID had one great\nfault and that was his love for young boys. Mr.\nGarrison said last night he did not feel that it was\nnecessarily sexual. Well, a person with his brain,\nI do not feel that it would necessarily be sexual,\nand it would be more or less a thing because DAVID\nhad great empathy for people, and he did want to\nhelp people like he wanted to help me. I was in a\nparticularly bad situation when I arrived in this\nCity and he did his very best to help me. He gave\nme money there at the end when he was preparing to\nfly down to Guatemala on that trip which he had asked\nme to go with him so I could escape the FBI, which he\nsaid BERT said was looking for me. Of course, I do\nnot -- there is no record. No one has any way of\nknowing that the FBI was really looking for me or\nnot I don't believe. I would like to know. The FBI\nclaimed they were not. Yes. Yes. Right there at\nthe car. I was standing on the corner. He asked if\nI saw BERT. tell DAVE that the FBI was looking for me.\nI'd better get out of town. Now Bert wanted me to\nget out of town. I was just another noisome little\nfaggot that he didn't want around probably. That was\n-16-\nmore of it than anything else, and he was afraid\nthat DAVID might have said something to me. Now,\nI do recall very, very plainly in the second meeting\nwhere I saw SHAW with DAVID where he stated, \"Have\nSHAW:\nyou told him anything?\" David said, \"No. I'm keeping\nmy word. I don't say nothing to him. I don't tell'my\n\"tricks\" anything.\" I was not DAVID's \"trick\". He\nasked me about LAYTON MARTENS.\nLAYTON MARTENS, I saw him the first time with DAVID\nFERRIE and CLAY SHAW was sitting there at the same\ntime. This was at Dixie's, which is no longer in\nexistence. I later saw LAYTON MARTENS several times\naround the Quarter, and I had - later on I propositioned\nLAYTON MARTENS. I will end it right there because\nI don't want to commit myself.\nSteve has asked me what gave me the impression\nMARTINIS, as they're calling him, I know him as MARTY\nand MART, what gave me the impression that he was\noccupied with CLAY SHAW, rather than DAVID FERRIE.\nBut I want to point out that Dixie's at that time\nwas an older crowd than what I found the other evening\nup at LaFitte's in Exile. The LaFitte's in Exile crowd\nwas the same type at that time, now it's nothing but\na bunch of young kids. And the people were considerably\nmore reserved, but LAYTON MARTENS appeared to know Mr.\nSHAW quite well as they talked, and then MARTENS would\ngo around talking to others, and MARTENS to my way of\nJHAW\nthinking, at that time did not look like he could be\nover 18, maybe 19 at the very, very most. Just a\nlittle boy. He had that little boy look. I still,\nFERRIE\nto this day, I do not even know his age. I have never\nbeen informed of his age, but he was extremely well-\nbuilt, put it that way. And I feel - I mean he talked\nto DAVID and then he talked to SHAW, and then when we\nMARTENS\nlater left, DAVID and myself and SHAW and the young\nman that DAVID had purchased which I have identified\ntoday in the photos, I identified him today in the\nphotos of BLACKMOOR, known to me at that time as\nBLACKIE. This is the young man whom DAVID referred\nto that he had - that was his gift. That was who he\nhad bought, and I assumed that he had purchased him.\nfor the night. No, the gift DAVID had bought was\nBLACKMOOR. (A little bit of French in here that I\ncan't spell, but translated: Do you understand?\nProstution?) This Jaffee is quite naive or something,\nbut he knows nothing about the underground or else\nhe would know that when you buy yourself someone, that\nmeans that you have purchased that person's services\nfor the evening. For the night, or for a period of\ntime, and so this meant that he and BLACKMOOR were\ngoing to have a sexual thing. That's what the gift\nin that particular case meant. I mean, when you're\nholding onto something, and said here is the gift I\nbought, that is the gift Baby. Excuse me Mr. Garrison.\nI didn't mean to use endearing terms. Apologize to\nyour wife too.\n-17-\nI want to point out one thing that Stephen just\nbrought up. FERRIE and BECKHAM. Now, I cannot\ngive the exact date of FERRIE and BECKHAM. Now\nMr. Sciambra stated that BECKHAM's a f-----g liar?\nWell whatever it is. But that's fine and well,\nand I know BECKHAM to be a liar. That's for damn\nsure, but I don't know what he was referring to.\nBut BECKHAM is a homosexual, and BECKHAM - I wanted\nBECKHAM.\nto finish this part here on BECKHAM. BECKHAM, when\nit came out in the paper that he had been subposnaed\nby Mr. Garrison, to me as far as I knew THOMAS BECKHAM\nwas a good person. BECKHAM claimed to be the son-in-\nlaw of Senator ALLEN ELLENDER of Louisiana, but this\nis the same TOM whom DAVE had mentioned. I'm positive\nnow, because this was the TOM whom he had ordained as\na priest in the Old Catholic Church. And now BECKHAM\nordains people for $30 of course. A donation? It's\nillegal to sell them, but it's a donation, a love\noffering, And this is the same BECKHAM, and this had\nto be. I would say this had to be no later than '64\nbecause BECKHAM was not here when I was here in '65,\nand I asked BECKHAM on the telephone if he had been\nin New Orleans after I had been to New Orleans and\nhe said only to talk to Mr. Garrison. And this is\nbecause I was planning on writing an expose article\non BECKHAM as being a phoney minister, a phoney every-\nthing by selling phoney doctorates. The doctorates\nare legal, unfortunately, as the ordinations, but I\nmean as far as anything backing him up, anyone can\nbuy them. And I was going to write this in order\nto expose him to stop him from running for Congress\nfrom Omaha, the district there around Omaha where\nMr. Martin a very respected Republican member of the\nCongress has been in office for many years. And,\nof course, I later found out from the Chief of Police\nof Omaha that BECKHAM's a pile of shit as far as\npolitical or anything else in Omaha. BECKHAM had\nbeen under observation for taking little girls back\nover to Council Bluffs, Iowa, and boys. But the boys\nBECKHAM was not having any sexual thing because\nBECKHAM is a man, according to BECKHAM. BECKHAM takes\nthe aggressor's role and he - as I have learned,\nb\nBECKHAM only does it for money. He's a man. HUM.\nRED STOWE? I have been asked about RED STOWE. RED\nSTOWE is known to me. Mr. Ivon gave me several books\nto look through this morning of photos. The one book,\nI don't know if it was on purpose or accidental, he\ngave it to me and start here. I don't know if he\nexactly said start here, but it later developed that\nthat was the back of the book and the index with the\nnames to the pictures, any how, had put the book in\nthat particular position. (I had to stop for a moment)\nAnd when I turned to the picture I thought it was a\npicture of RED STOWE with EDGAR EUGENE BRADLEY in prison.\nPossibly Parish Prison here. And then I turned OV er\nthe next page and then I saw a sign, and they were\noutside in another picture, and I saw the sign\n-18-\n\"Highway 80\", and then I knew that it was not -\nthey were not in Parish Prison. And so then I\nfinally found -- there was an index and that I\nhad started at the back of the book and I saw that\nit was not, according to them, EDGAR EUGENE BRADLEY\nnor was it RED STOWE. But I disagree with whoever\nhas made the identifications on that because it\ndefinitely is RED. I mean, who knows better than\nthe person that has known him intimately? And that\nis RED. I don't know where he is now. I met him\nhere in New Orleans and God only knows where he is\nnow. But of course RED - the type of person he is,\nhe would sell his mother in order to a slave owner\nin order to make money, so, I mean, anything that\nhe is possibly involved in would not surprise me.\nThe other man is definitely. EDGAR EUGENE BRADLEY\nbecause I've seen BRADLEY in that particular condi-\ntion. Dallas P.D., I understand from Jaffee, says\nit is not EDGAR EUGENE BRADLEY, but Jaffee has not\ntold me who it is then and this does bother me that\nthey refuse to - when I ask them who the picture is\nwhen I identify it - to my knowledge, the way I know\nthe people they refuse to give me any answers. This\nis the whole thing concerning Jaffee which is beginning\nto bug me. I feel that after I make an identification\nthen they should tell me something at least. But I am\nstill positive that picture is EDGAR EUGENE BRADLEY\nI know it is RED STOWE. RED STOWE was here - I first\nmet him here in the City of New Orleans. Today I\nwant to point out, I finally went to what is known -\nis now known as the Dixie Hotel. It could possibly\nhave been known as the Dixie Hotel in 1965 on Tulane.\nIt's kattywampus down the street and directly across\nfrom Charity Hospital. Now Mr. Ivon seems to think\nit was rather amazing that I could not remember the\nCharity Hospital was across the street. Well, Charity\nHospital may be very big in Mr. Ivon's mind and the\ncitizens of New Orleans, but I am not a resident of\nNew Orleans. It's just another building to me and so\nat that particular I wasn't interested in landmarks,\nhospitals or anything else, All I was interested in\nwas hiding and having fun. And the lady who owned it\nI refer to as a \"fat lady\". She was not exceptionally\nfat, but she was much larger than the bitch who now\nruns it. Pardon me. Is that slander? No, bitch is\na dog. She could be doggie. But anyhow, the woman\nwho now runs it is her daughter who said she was\nthere all that time in '65. I spoke to her this\nmorning; had a very difficult time getting to talk\nto her. She wanted to know this, that and the other,\nand in a word, she had her hand out for the almighty\ndollar and I did this the other evening to the other\npeople at the Center Hotel and the restaurants and\nthe bars and everything directly across from Continental.\nThe one lady said that I did look familiar, but she\nsaid that was three years ago and there had been so\nmany people come and go into her particular hotel.\nThis woman says, \"Well, I don't remember you. But I\nknow all of Mama's guests.\" Well, she's a liar because\n-19-\nshe is an obvious prostitute. Of course, I may be\nslandering myself - or slandering her, open to suit\nbut I don't give a damn. I'm letting the cards fall\nwhere they may because we can probably get the\nwitnesses to prove that she is a whore or prostitute.\nBut the woman is elderly herself. Her mother, of\ncourse, was much older. She said her mother killed\nby a German Shephard. This confirms a story that I\nhad heard later concerning the death of her mother.\nHer mother was extremely distrustful person. She\nhad a small black dog as I remember when I lived there.\nThe rooms are exactly as I described them to others.\nIt's still a gray building. It was a gray building\nthen. There is that horrible, atrocious yellow\npicture of Huey Long hanging on the wall. You go\ndown the hallway and I had not entered into the\nhotel and I said to her, I says, \"Is the bath at the\nend of the hall on the right?\" She confirmed this,\nand I asked her about the rooms, \"Are they small?\" and\nshe said, \"Yes, they are small\", and then I pretty\nwell described the hotel before I went on into it.\nThere is kind of an alcove ante-way to go into it.\nThe woman is nasty. I do remember her as being the\ndaughter of the owner of the hotel. I mean, one\ncouldn't forget a bitch like that. And at that time\nshe was whoring around, if I - I don't remember her\nthat well, but I do remember that she was whoring\naround. She looks much different now than she looked\nthen. She was much more painted and she is now -\ntoday she looked like a plain, grey-haired - more\nsalt and pepper hair. And she is elderly. She is\nin her 50's I would say now, and she is still plying\nthe trade to the best of her ability probably. A man\nfor a room for the night. Of course I'm doing this\nspeculation, but that is the hotel the Center Hotel -\nI remember it quite well because at that time there\nwere a great deal of homosexuals and hustlers, and\nit was a good place to find what you wanted. I want\nto point out before this tape runs out, and while Mr.\nJaffee and Mr. Alcock are not in here - I don't mind\nsaying it to Mr. Alcock - but I do want to say this,\nthat the - I am a great deal disappointed that the\nDixie's is now gone because I was led to believe that\nDixie's was still here. There is a Dixie's here but\nit is not the Dixie's that was here in 1965. Where\nDixie's was at in 1965 is now taken over by some place\ncalled the Dream House or the Dream Room or something\nor other. Maybe it's not even that, but it's just\nMARTENS\ndown the street. LaFitte's in Exile is still here.\n(Assoriate both of\nIt is much dirtier and they've done nothing to it.\nIt was very, very crowded the other night when I was\nFERRIE + SHAW)\nthere. I was looking for LAYTON MARTENS, That was\nthe reason I went out. I did not let Jaffee or any\nof the people of the District Attorney's Office know\nbecause I wanted to find MARTENS. I wanted him to see\nme. I wanted him to see if he remembered me. He is\nlike a machine sexually, and he probably would not\nremember me. But when you are a person of my nature\nyou certainly remember somebody as cold as that, and\nhe operates like a machine and it's on a money basis.\n-20-\nNOW, I would be interested in meeting him again. Of\ncourse, I do not have the money to really meet him\nfor another encounter, but I think it would be in-\nteresting in the interest of justice if I could get\nnext to him and maybe learn a lot more, because LAYTON\nMARTENS, I understand, is being defended by some of\nthe wealthiest, or some of the biggest attorneys in\nthe City of New Orleans. Yet LAYTON MARTENS still\ndoes not have a pot to piss in and to me this only -\nwell it's only - to me I don't give a damn, but it\nshould show Mr. Garrison and the others that CLAY\nSHAW - the connection with CLAY SHAW. But, that CLAY\nSHAW is paying MARTENS' lawyers bills. But time will\ntell. And now, I'm sure it will tell on the side of\nMr. Garrison, and I'm beginning to take more and more\nstock in the Garrison case I'm just - I'm absolutely\npositive that he has\n(end of tape.)\n-21-\nBROSHEARS\nRE: DAVID FURRIE\nCLAY SHAW\nKEARY THORNLY\n1°5 LEE CRISMAN\nMEMORANDUM\nAugust 8, 1968\nTO:\nJIM GARRISON, District Attorney\nFROM:\nSTEPHEN JAFFE, Investigator\nRE:\nREV. RAYMOND BROSHEARS\n245 Golden Avenue\nPHONE: 436-6315\nLong Beach, California\nOn August 2, 1968, I conducted a re-interview with\nREV. RAYMOND BROSHEARS. He told me that he had been informed\nby a reporter named MURRY, who works with the Long Beach Police\nDepartment, that intelligence officers had given information\nto the local newspaper, The Long Beach Press Telegram, and that\na forthcoming unfavorable article would be written about him.\nMURRY told BROSHEARS this article would appear probably Sunday,\nAugust 11th. I told BROSHEARS that I would write an article\nfor the Los Angeles Free Press which would appear on Thursday,\nAugust 8th, which would explain the possibility of an article\nin the Long Beach Press Telegram, and therefore cancel any\ndisparaging effect which the article might have on his reputation.\n(See attached article)\nI showed a photograph of the man possibly known as\nRALPH SHLATTER or \"SKINNY RALPH\" to REV. BROSHEARS. He said\nthat he was not sure, but he felt that he might have met this\nman in New Orleans in one of the \"gay bars\". BROSHEARS said\nthat he felt that if this was the man, he was going by the name\nof \"RED\" and was operating as a \"hustler\" in the gay or homo-\nsexual underground.\nI showed BROSHEARS the photograph of CLAY SHAW. He\nrecognized him immediately stating that he had known this man\nin New Orleans, and had .met him in the compnay of DAVID FERRIE\nSHAW:\nin late August or early September of 1965. BROSHEARS said that\nhe was with DAVID FERRIE when he met CLAY SHAW. He said that\nFERRIE introduce SHAW as either \"CLARA\" or on another occasion,\n\"BURT\", or \"CLAY\".\nBROSHEARS said that the first time he met this man\n(CLAY SHAW) was in a bar called \"Dixie's\". At that time he\nsaid the man was dressed in sport clothes, but later changed\ninto a coat and tie and the three of them went in a cab from\nDixie's to a restaurant which he said he would be able to locate\nin New Orleans, but that he could not remember the name of the\nrestaurant at this time. BROSHEARS said tha t the first meeting\nat Dixie's had taken place because FERRIE had told him he had\nto go there to get some money.\n-1-\naccording to DAVID FERRIE, it had been two assassins who were\nbehind the fence. One of the assassins, according to DAVID\nFERRIE, was named CARLOS. FERRIE also told BROSHEARS about a\nboy named \"BILL who worked in the Book Depository. BROSHEARS\nfelt that this might have been one of the assassins who fired\nat the President from the rear.\nFERRIE had told BROSHEARS that H. L. HUNT of Dallas,\nTexas, had entertained HALE BOGGS after the Warren Commission\nHearings. FERRIE had pointed out a connection between H. L.\nHUNT and HALE BOGGS previously. FERRIE had had a deep hatred\nfor HALE BOGGS, and had linked HALE BOGGS with CLAY SHAW.\nFERRIE had told BROSHEARS that SHAW had some ownership in Dallas\nand had met HUNT through his financial dealings, possibly with\nHunt Foods, or possibly through the Trade Mart in Dallas.\nBROSHEARS said that DAVID FERRIE had a \"beautiful\nmachete\", a BarrettiItalian pistol, in addition to the posses-\nsions of LEE HARVEY OSWALD.\nBROSHEARS stated that he did not know GORDON NOVEL,\nand could not remember that name, but requested that he see a\npicture of the man.\nOnce again asking BROSHEAR about \"RALPH\" (the walking\nman photo), BROSHEARS said that he might have been the man who\nchauffered CLAY SHAW's car in 1965. He said that a man had\nhustled him and taken $10 from him at his hotel. BROSHEARS said\nthat he would have met this man, if this were indeed the person,\nat either one of the two bars previously mentioned.\nBROSHEARS said that he met a man named \"KERRY\" and\nfrom a picture he identified KERRY THORNLEY at the bar called\nDixie's. FERRIE had commented on the similarity of appearance\nbetween THORNLEY and LEE HARVEY OSWALD, but had told BROSHEARS\nthat the similarity stopped with the appearance.\nBROSHEARS stated that he did know FRED LEE CHRISMAN\nof Oregon because he was the representative of the \"Universal\nLife Church\" in that Northwest area. (SLE SUBSEQUENT MEMO ON CHRISMAN\nAND THIS CHURCH)\n-3-\nEx-roomate reveals\nFERRIE CONFESSED HIS INVOLVMENT\nIN JOHN KENNEDY ASSASSINATION PLOT\n1\nAugust 5, 1958 Los Angeles,\nBy Stephen Jaffe\n2\n3\n4\nThe first public disclosure of a confession by\n5\nany of the participants in the conspiracy which led to the\n6\nDallas assassinationcof President Kennedy was revealed in\n7\nsurprising fashion recently on the Stan Bóhrman, Tempo I,\n8\ntelevision show in Los Angeles. An ex-roomate of the late\n9\nDavid Ferrie appeared on the program as a last minute guest.\n10\nThe roomate, Reverend Raymond Broshears of Long Beach, was\n11\nasked to replace a guest who had been scheduled to discuss\n12\npsychic phenomena and predictions of the future.\n13\nAfter introductory comments were made the program,\n14\nwhich is in the format of receiving questions from outside\n15\ntelephone callers, became one of significant historical im-\n16\nportance. In response to one of the callers questions the\n17\nReverend told of his association with the late David Ferrie\n18\nof New Orleans.\n19\nFerrie was named by District Attorney Jim Carrison\n20\nof New Orleans as one of the participants in the conspiracy\n21\nwhich ended in the murder of President Kennedy Garrison said\n22\nof Ferrie, \"He was one of history's most important individuals.\n23\nThe caller. questioned Reverend Broshears and much\n24\nto the shock of host Stan Bohrman, Broshears answered the\n25\nquestions frankly. When asked if Ferried told him of the assass-\n26\nination conspiracy the his former roomate replied, \"David ad-\n27\nmitted being involved with the assassins. There's no question\n28\nabout that. \"\n29\nReverend Broshears, who has tried to escape harrass-\n30\nment by \"individuals from mysterious sources\" ever since his\n31\nshort association with Ferrie in 1965, told of the role which\n32\nFerrie had played in the plot. \"He YES in Houston at the time\nPage Two BROSHEARS\n1\nMr. Garrison has him in Houston, with an airplane waiting,\"\n2\nreported Broshears. The Reverend said that Ferrie had intended\n3\nto fly the assassins on the second leg of a getaway trip which\n4\nwas to carry them,mon at least two of the gunmen, first to\n5\nSouth America and then to South Africa. The location in Africa\n6\nwas chosen as a final destination because that country has no\nis THE REST\n7\nextradition agreement with the United States. Ferrie was wait-\n8\ning, in the Houston airport, that Friday afternoon, when the\n9\ntwo assassins, having just murdered President Kennedy, fled\n10\nin a light aircraft from a landing strip just outside of Dallas\n11\nInstead of going straight to Houston as was arranged, the\n12\nassassins tried to make their escape all the way to Mexico\n13\nwithout stopping. Mocording to Reverend Broshears the assassins\n14\ndied in a plane crash that afternoon off the coast of Corpus\n15\nChristi, Texas.\n16\nBroshears said that Ferrie had been 2. nervous wreck\n(SP.?)\n17\nin the days of their acquaintanshipi This was over a year\n18\nbefore the public disclosure of the investigation of Jim\n19\nGarrison and, according to a recent article in Ramparts Maga-\n20\nzine by William W. Turner, Garrison hadn't even- begun his\nEven\n21\nprobe secretly, until the later half of 1966. Broshears told\n22\nof Ferries fears that someone was going to kill him. \"No\n23\nmatter what happens I will never commit suicide,\" Ferrie\n24\nhad. told the Reverend. \"He was emphatic about this\" Broshears\n25\nreiterated.\n26\nBroshears said that he knew David Ferrie had benn\n27\nmurdered and thus confirmed another portion of Garrison's\n28\nanalysis of the evidence since his probe began.\n29\nMore questions in the assassination matter are added\n30\nby the case of David Ferrie. Aside from his mysterious death,\n31\nthe strange activities of Ferrie on November. 22, 1963 had\n32\nled Garrison to arrest him for questioning when Ferrie returned\nPage Three\nBroshears\n1\nfrom his trip to Houston. After the District Attorney' office\n2\nquestioned Ferrie they referred him to the Federal Bureau of\n3\nInvestigation for further questioning and examination by the\n4\nWarren Commission As in most instances the Warren Commission\n5\nnever questioned Ferrie, who, it is evident, might have shed\n6\nconsiderable light on the true events of the assassination.\n7\nCompounding the federal negligence is the fact that\n8\nthe F.B.I. did question Ferrie and the forty page: transcrip\n9\ntion of that interview has been committed to the National\n10\nArchives for the duration of 75 years from the issuance of\n11\nthe Warren Report.\nby the caller\n12\nReverend Broshears was asked/if he was ever arrested\n13\nfor threatening the life of President Lyndon Johnson. Most\nbeen\n14\nreluctantly he replied that he had But he qualified the\n15\nimplication saying that it was for the love of his country\n16\nthat such an incident transpired. He did not actually threaten\n17\nPresident Johnson, and he explained that he does not believe\n18\nin killing. \"What then,\" Bohrman puzzled, \"did you say?\"\n19\nAt the risk of being re-arrested for repeating 2 state-\n20\nment that had caused Secret Service agents to take the Reverend\n21\ninto custody two years ago, Broshears stated, \"I said. that Mr.\n22\nJohnson, the person who was responsible, directly or indirectly\n23\nfor the assassination of President Kennedy, should be put to\n24\ndeath!\"\n25\nWith the energy of ten men, Tand the breath of a parakee\n26\nBohrman activated his lips to form the words, \"We'll be right\n27\nback after this word from Arid Extra Dry. 11\n28\nBut the shock which characterizes most of the assassin-\n29\nation revelations did not stop there. Broshears admissions,\n30\nhowever courageous or honest, have meant nothing but total\n31\ntorture and harrassment for him ever since the televison pro-\n32\ngram.\nPage Four Broshears\n1\nSince the time of his arrest by Federal Agents in\n2\nNew Orleans for the incident of his alleged threat on Fres-\n3\nident Johnson (after which he was questioned and released\n4\nwithout conviction or sentence) he has had to be in constant\n5\ntouch with Federal offices of the Secret Service and F.B.I.\n6\nby order of the Federal Government. Agents from those organ-\n7\nizations have warned him to keep his mouth shut or risk being\n8\ncommitted to a mental institution.\n9\nAfter the television program Broshdars was servedlbys\n10\nhis landlady, Mrs. Norma L. Smith, with a seven-day- limit\n11\neviction notice. Phonecalls from anonymous sources told him,\n12\n\"How many presidents did you kill today, Reverend?\" And two\n13\nreporters from the Sunday supplement of the Long Beach Press\n14\nTelegram Newspaper, have planned an article for this Sunday's\n15\nedition which will reveal that Reverend Broshears is a homo-\n16\nsexual. A friend of the Reverend's on the Long Beach Police\n17\nForce confided that the article would not be favorable to him\n18\nat all. Broshears realizes that the price of breaking his\n19\nsilence on the case could certainly bring damaging comments\n20\nabout him and possibly endanger his life. Ironically Broshears\n21\nnever tried to hide the fact that he is a homosexual. He answer\n22\ned, \"I am a homosexual but I have never denied it.\" Homosexual-\n23\nity is often used as a source of smear material but that is\n24\nusually in the case of a person who would be damaged by that\n25\npublic revelation. Broshears only fault or sin seems to be his\n26\npersistent honesty.\n27\nApparently, freedom of speech is something which Bro-\n28\nshears has always taken as a cause to defend. When an attack\n29\nwas waged by a Reverend John C. Bonner, of the Long Beach-\n30\nLakewood Area, to try and halt the sale of the Los Angeles\n31\nFree Press, in March of 1968, Broshears replied to the aggresso\n32\nIn a modest but outspoken newspaper published by Reverend\nPage Five\nBroshear\n1\nBroshears, called \"The Light of Understanding,\" Broshears\n2\nreplind to Reverend Bonner's limited acceptance of journalistic\n3\nfreedom. \"In the Bible it states. that if you raise your\n1\nchildren rightly, you need not fear, \" he wrote, Where the\n5\nReverend Bonner had requested that the representatives of\n6\nsome 47 area churches \"stand up and be counted,\" Broshears\n7\nanswered, \"Stand up and be counted as what? A person who\n8\nopposes freedom of the press?\" The result of this small\n9\nbut noble defense Reverend Broshears was expelled from the\n10\nministerial alliance of his district.\n11\nAnother Los Angeles broadcaster, Eliot Mintz of KPFK,\n12\ninvited Reverend Broshears on his show. Responding to his\n13\ntremendous audience interest in the events surrounding the\n14\nmurder of President Kennedy, Mintz questioned Broshears on\n15\nhis association with Ferrie. After callers quizzed the Reverend\n16\nthere was not enough time allowed to the Reverend to discuss\n17\nhis Night Ministry school which is his occupation in Long\n18\nBeach. Although the program closed without the discussion of\n19\nsome of the Reverend S work in the Community Relations field\n20\n(finding help for \"skid row\" bums, improving conditions in the\nsholl\n21\nghettos) the oversight of time promised the Reverend Accord been\n22\ncorrected by the show's host. Mintz told me, \"If Mr. Broshears\n23\nwould like to come on our show to discuss his work, and:his\n24\nNight Ministry school and not to discuss his association with\n25\nDavid Ferrie, he has a standing invitation from me to do that.\n26\nIt is impossible to estimate the truth or falsehood\n27\nof the Reverend's statements about the assassination. It is\n28\ncertain that in his association with Ferrie he had the unique\n29\nopportunity to learn what Ferrie might have told the New Orlean\n30\nGrand Jury had he lived. In the case of the assassination of\n31\nPresident Kennady it seems apparent that those with important\nIntile\n32\nknowledge, who speak out, risk death. Reverend Broshears explains\nthis puzzle in a different way, de says, \"the price of silence\n3 copies\nR5: DAVID Family\nCLAY SHAW\nBROSHEARS ##\nTHOMAS ORCKHAM\nMEMORANDUM\nAugust 8, 1968\nTO:\nJIM GARRISON, District Attorney\nFROM:\nSTEPHEN JAFFE, Investigator\nRE:\nREV. RAYMOND BROSHEARS\n725 Orange Avenue, Apt. D.\nPHONE: 213 - 591-9004\nChurch of God of Light\nLong Beach, California - 90813\n1.5\nALSO:\n\"Church of God of Light\"\nPost Office Box 1027\nLong Beach, California - 90801\nNEW ADD: (As of August 6, 1968)\n245 Golden, Long Beach, Cal.\nNew Phone: 213 -- 436-6315\nOn July 27, 1968, at approximately 8:30 p.m., Mr.\nMark Lane and myself went to visit Rev. RAYMOND BROSHEARS at\nhis Long Beach address on Orange Avenue. According to an\narrangement made with him by telephone, we visited him to\ndiscuss his association with DAVID FERRIE, his knowledge of\nthe assassination of President Kennedy which he gained from\nDAVID FERRIE, and the television appearance he made on a Los\nAngeles television show called \"The Stan Bohrman Show\". (See\nmemorandum of July 10, 1968).\nWe asked REV. BROSHEARS to tell us about his stay\nin New Orleans. Mr. BROSHEARS said that in 1965 he came to\nNew Orleans from East St. Louis having worked there with the\nCongress of Racial Equality under a man who was an executive\nin that organization named MR. RANDOLPH. Mr. RANDOLPH had\ngiven him the names of several people in the same organization\nin Bogalousa. After going to Bogalousa, REV. BROSHEARS had\nbeen stopped by officers. From the Louisiana State Police and\ninterrogated. He said, \"I was beat up.\" The REV. BROSHEARS\ncame to New Orleans.\nBROSHEARS said that he came to New Orleans knowing no\none here, however, he had come here to escape his problems.\nREV. BROSHEARS said that he registered at a hotel\nwhich had no name, which was across from the Continental\nTrailways Bus Station. He said he registered under the name of\nEARL RAYMOND ALLEN. Shortly after his coming to New Orleans,\nhe met DAVID FERRIE. BROSHEARS said that he met FERRIE at a\nbar which was known in the French Quarter as a homosexual bar\nFERRIE:\ncalled \"Dixie's\". He said that he also associated with DAVID\nFERRIE at another bar known as \"LaFitte's in Exile\".\n-1-\n- or you OTHER NAND, PERRIX 70 HAVE BRACHED A\nSTATE WITH HIM - SUPPLATED WITH THE\nAPPARIENT use OF ALCOHOL.4 PILLS so THAT BRASHWART\nSMOULD OF NOT 13 8 TOTALY DISPENSED WITH AS A JOURRE\nGROSNEARS! REFERENCE\nTo HALE 300.85 IN THE\nCONNO CONNUCTION is BUT ONE\nINFORMATION AND POSSIBLE LEANS. 22 (FOR MAMPUT\nBROSHEARS said that he discussed the assassination\nof President Kennedy with DAVID FERRIE only after having known\nEXAMPLE THAT He is\nHAVWIRE TO ADD up TO Too\nBEING A SOURCE O/2 EVER EVIDENCE\nhim intimately for a while. BROSHEARS stated that FERRIE had\ndiscussed with him the following names in relation to the\nassassination of President Kennedy, and a conspiracy in which\nFERRIE admitted his own involvement. The names were:\nHALE BOGGS, Representative to Congress from the\nState of Louisiana;\nDay not check\nKENT COURTNEY, financier in New Orleans;\nas Issuing\nMany\nway\nwill Amount Manute\nRICHARD C. LAUCHLI, of Collingsville, Ill.;\nwas arreated with\nCarton travels\nCLAY SHAW, who Ferrie said had been Director\nwant will of\nof the International Trade Mart in New Orleans\nlain Antitution\nhis 5 my '33.\nand was now financially responsible for HALE\nBOGGS remaining in Congress.\nAt that time BROSHEARS said, \"I didn't know these people, or\nwhat the Trade Mart was.\"\nBROSHEARS said that FERRIE stayed over night with him\nBROSHEARS\nat his hotel room on several occasions. During one of those\noccasions two men came to their door and forced their entrance\nto the room. They questioned FERRIE, threatened FERRIE, and,\naccording to BROSHEARS, left abruptly. After these two men\nleft, BROSHEARS asked FERRIE who they were. FERRIE said, \"They\nare just men who I am afraid of.\" BROSHEARS said that these\nmen had hurriedly identified themselves and he could not see\nFERRIE:\nfrom their identification who they were. BROSHEARS stated that\nFERRIE later told him that they said they were from the District\nAttorney's Office (NOTE: This was in 1965.) BROSHEARS said\nthat FERRIE was fantastically nervous, and was given to deep\nperiods of depression. He said that it was only when FERRIE\ndrank to excess, or had taken pills that FERRIE would confide\nFILE CRISMAN\ncasually with BROSHEARS in some of the involvement that he had\nhad with the assassination. BROSHEARS said that he did not tell\nhim immediately that he was involved with Civil Rights work, but\nlater discussed his background.\nFERRIE told BROSHEARS of \"the mess he was in\". FERRIE\nsaid he was a pilot. He showed Eastern Airlines Wings with his\nname engraved on the back to BROSHEARS, and said that he had\nbeen fired from that organization for charges of homosexuality.\n000\nFERRIE stated to BROSHEARS that he had been flying private\nplanes to Guatemala, Costa Rica and British Honduras. BROŚHEARS\nsaid that, \"If this was a way to make money, DAVID didn't have\nany. BROSHEARS stated that he felt that FERRIE had been forced\nCHMRSHOS\nto work for this organization, and had been \"hooked into it\".\nHe said that FERRIE never liked the work he was doing, but that\nFERRIE had confided in him that he was working for a group of\npeople who wanted to take over the United States\".\nSince BROSHEARS felt that the homosexual underground\nin which he and FERRIE were involved was \"an hysterical scene\",\nhe said that he did not take FERRIE seriously. FERRIE said\nthat he was flying guns and ammunition. FERRIE told BROSHEARS\nthat he had been stopped by British officials at a place called\nBelize during a \"regular run\" to a British colony in British\nHonduras. He told BROSHEARS that his plane had been inspected\nand that the authorities there had contacted his bosses in New\nOrleans. FERRIE told BROSHEARS that he was immediately released.\nHe told BROSHERS that he flew a twin engined plane, but that\nduring the entire time of his work for this organization he was\nnot doing it voluntarily, but was being blackmailed. BROSHEARS\nhad nothing in the way of money, but FERRIE would often give\nhim small amounts $20 or so - after he had gotten money by\ntaking the St. Charles streetcar to a location which FERRIE\nonly called \"the agency\".\nFERRIE told BROSHEARS in regard to President Johnson,\n\"that damned Johnson If you knew what I knew, you'd kill the\nbastard. \"DAVID said he killed J.F.K\", BROSHEARS said.\nBROSHEARS asked him how he knew this, and DAVID refused to say.\nDAVID FERRIE told BROSHEARS he was to fly two men,\ntwo of the assassins who killed President Kennedy, in South\nHouston out of the country. FERRIE said that he was to fly\nfrom Houston with the two assassins to Central or South America;\nand later to Capetown, Republic of South Africa. The reason\nfor going to South Africa, said FERRIE, was that that country\nhad no extradition treaty with the United States. FERRIE told\nBROSHEARS that the assassins never showed up. They were\nsupposed to have come to the Houston Airport in a small aircraft\nafter the assassination, from Dallas and Fort Worth, Texas.\nInstead, FERRIE told BROSHEARS, they tried to make it all the\nway over the Mexican border and their plane crashed and burned\non a sandy little islet just off of Corpus Christi; Texas.\nFERRIE said that one of the assassins named CARLOS had directions\nto fly to meet him at the Houston Airport, and had further\ndirections to a bar where they were to make a contact in\nCentral or South America.\nPreachers FERRIE told BROSHEARS, \"It seems like you big money\nAcreatures are into everything.\" When BROSHEARS asked him what\nhe meant by this he said that BILLY JAMES HARGIS and another\n\"big phoney up in New Jersey\" (BROSHEARS said this was DR. CARL\nMCINTIRE) were involved in the plot against President Kennedy.\nFERRIE said that, \"President Kennedy is the first,\nthey're not going to stop until they kill every nigger in this\ncountry.\" BROSHEARS asked who he meant by 'they\". DAVID FERRIE\nsaid, \"HALE BOGGS, and the, others. He blackmails everyone. He\nhas a. blackmail file, I know.\" FERRIE told BROSHEARS that some\nother people had been killed as a result of what they knew about\nthe assassimatio He did not evidently tell BROSHEARS who\nthese people were. FERRIE did say that if Jacqueline Kennedy\nor Robert Kennedy ever spoke out about the assassination they\nhad been warned they would be killed also. FERRIE told BROSHEARS\nthat other people who were in Dal las had been killed.\nBROSHEARS doubted what FERRIE had told him. He said\nthat FERRIE ought to go to see a psychiatrist. FERRIE said\nthat he knew what he was talking about. He said that there is\nan organization called the Central Intelligence Agency and that\none of the leaders of that organization, a man named DULLES, is\nnot a fine man. FERRIE told BROSHEARS; \"They are going to turn\nthis country into one big barbed wire prison.'\n$ 75\n-3-\nBROSHEARS said to FERRIE that, \"Everyone knows that\nLEE HARVEY OSWALD killed President Kennedy.\" FERRIE replied,\n\"Have you ever read the Warren Report? If you do, you will\nsee that they never looked at the evidence.\" FERRIE said,\n\"They murdered one of the best lays I've ever had. He didn't\nhave anything to do with killing President Kennedy. He was\nset up.\" (LEE HARVEY OSWALD) FERRIE told BROSHEARS that\nGENERAL WALKER was the \"military brains\" behind the rightest\ngroup. \"There are two people in this country in New Orleans,\nKENT COURTNEY and CLAY SHAW. SHAW keeps HALE BOGGS in office.\"\nWhile on a television program in Los Angeles, Cali--\nfornia, the Stan Bohrman Show, July 8, 1968, BROSHEARS stated\nthat he had been arrested for threatening the life of President\nJohnson. He said that he had made the statement, \"President\nJohnson, who was responsible directly or indirectly for the\nassassination of our beloved President Kennedy, should be put\nto death.\" BROSHEARS told us that he had made these statements\nbecause of what DAVID FERRIE had told him. After he made these\nstatements in late 1965, he was told by DAVID FERRIE who was\ntold by a man he now knows as CLAY SHAW but then knew as CLAY\nor BERT. In approximately September of 1965, BROSHEARS was\narrested by Secret Service agents and Federal Marshals and\ntaken to the Veterans Administration Hospital in New Orleans.\nThere he was arraigned by Federal Judge Christenberry in the\npresence of other Secret Service agents for conspiring to\nassassinate President Johnson. Mark Lane asked BROSHEARS who\nthe other co-conspirators were. BROSHEARS said that he had\nUNUSUAL INTEREST By FEDERAL\nAGENTS WITH REGARD BROSNUARS?\nmade statements and discussed President Johnson in a disparaging\nway with four others who were also arraigned according to what\nhe could find out. One of them, he said, was a young man from\nNational City, although he rememberd no names. During his\ndetention in the Veterans Administration Hospital Psychiatric\nWard in New Orleans, he was questioned by Secret Service agents,\nRUFUS YOUNGBLOOD, a MR. SHERMEN or SHERWOOD, and an agent TOM\nHORN, (now in the Los Angeles Bureau of the Secret Service).\nOne of those agents told BROSHEARS, \"For your own good we're\ngoing to commit you to a federal mental institution.\" BROSHEARS\nfollowing\nwas then taken by Secret Service agents to Gulfport Psychiatric\nHospital in October or November of 1965, and was not released\nuntil April of 1966. During BROSHEAR's stay in the Veterans\nAdministration Hospital in New Orleans, he was under the care\nof a DR. STONE. In the middle of that stay he was told that\nDR. STONE had been taken off the case, by Judge CHRISTENBERRY,\nand been replaced by a DR. ROBINSON. BROSHEARS later found out\nthat STONE had been trans ferred to the Veterans Administration\nHospital in Casa Verde. After he had been transferred to the\nGulfport Psychiatric Hospital, a DR. CLARK, who was in charge\nof REV. BROSHEARS, said to Secret Service agents after reviewing\nhis case, \"We're not jailors. We are discharging you.\" (to\nBROSHEARS) Agents repeatedly questioned BROSHEARS as to whether\nor not he was acquainted with DAVID FERRIE in New Orleans, and\nBROSHEARS denied this acquaintance.\nWe asked BROSHEARS if he had ever known or heard the\nname PERRY RUSSO. BROSHEARS told us that DAVID had talked\nabout him many times. He had said to BROSHEARS that RUSSO\nbeat him up. FERRIE told him that RUSSO had stolen or taken\n$2300 from CLAY SHAW. BROSHEARS could not exactly remember\nunder what circumstances FERRIE told him RUSSO had gotten this\n-6-\nmoney, but that it had to do with some sort of financial\ntransaction and involved MR. SHAW.\nAfter being questioned at Gulfport Hospital by\nSecret Service agents, one of the agents returned from\nWashington, D. C., and told BROSHEARS, \"You' 11 get a com-\npensation pension. You will have to report to us every time\nyou move from one city to another. If you do not do these\nthings, you will be put in a federal jail mental institution.\nIf you do cooperate, you will receive your compensation pension\nregularly. At that time the agents gave him $1700 (BROSHEARS\nbelieves it was either $1300 or $1700), as \"back compensation\"\nBROSHEARS was told by the agents never to return to New Orleans,\nbut to 90 back to his home.\nBROSHEARS was given a ticket by the agents to take\na Southern Airlines flight from New Orleans to St. Louis to\ngo to his counsin's farm in St. Louis and remain there. He\nwas told to stay out of New Orleans.\nBROSHEARS said that he wanted to talk with DR. STONE\nin Cincinnatti. He said that he purchased a Chevrolet and\ndid visit his counsin in Cotaville. He said tha t he crossed\na bridge at New Harmony and the Indiana State Police at that\nborder stopped him. He was questioned by the police and then\ntaken to a small cafe which BROSHEARS called a \"truck. stop\".\nAt that cafe an agent of the Secret Service was waiting. Mr.\nBROSHEARS could not remember whether this was RUFUS YOUNGBLOOD\nor agent SHERWOOD. This was in May of 1966.\nThe Secret Service agent asked BROSHEARS, at the cafe,\nwhere he was going. BROSHEARS told him he was going to see DR.\nSTONE in Cincinnatti. The agent told him that he had no need\nto see anybody and should return immediately to his counsin's\nfarm. The agent did ask him, however, if he was going to see\nDAVID FERRIE in New Orleans, and BROSHEARS denied that.\nBROSHEARS then went to the Secret Service office in\nSt. Louis and said that he was going to leave this part of the\ncountry and go to California. He told the agents there that\nhe was going to San Francisco. They said that would be all\nright, and that he should report to a MR. NEWMAN at the Secret\nService Bureau in San Francisco.\nOnce in San Francisco, BROSHEARS said that he didn't\nreport to anyone, but took an apartment in a suburb. The agents\nfound. him onelweek later at 347 Eddy Street. NEWMAN and another\nagent called HAMMOND told him that he had violated his instructions\nand that he was going to be put in a hospital if he ever did\nthat again. They also told him to call the federal building\ntwice a week. BROSHEARS followed their instructions.\nIn explanation of BROSHEARS' background, he told us\nthe following story.\nBROSHEARS said that he had been living in 1964 in\nBellville, East St. Louis. HOMER RANDOLF, head of the Congress\nof Racial Equality there, was REV. BROSHEARS' superior in Civil\n-5-\nRights work. In Bellville, BROSHEARS said, an all white city,\nthe territorial border had been reconstructed so as to keep\nthe Negro section out of the city. BROSHEARS had announced\npublicly that he was going to stage a sit-in in a restaurant\nin East St. Louis. This was printed in the East St. Louis\nJournal and the sit-in was scheduled for November 11th on\nVeterans Day. Mayor Nichols of that city had BROSHEARS arrested\nand taken to him. He told BROSHEARS that their city was a \"nice\nGerman-Dutch heritage town, and we must stop you from making a\nmistake\". Present at that meeting were the Justice of the Peace\nand the Chief of Police. BROSHEARS was told not to stage the\nsit-in.\nOn November 10th, the morning before the sit-in was\nscheduled, BROSHEARS was again arrested, taken into custody,\nand he was threatened by the Chief of Police that he would be\nput in prison. He said that he had not broken any law, but\nthe police stated that they were aware of laws that he had\nbroken. On November 11th, REV. BROSHEARS staged the sit-in\nthat he had planned. At 7:30 a.m., on November 12th, BROSHEARS\nwas arrested and taken to the Chief of Police. He was charged\nwith the sexual molestation of a young boy. BROSHEARS phoned\nhis superior, MR. RANDOLF, and RANDOLF told him not to say\nanything or sign anything. RANDOLF said that he would get hold\nof an attorney who was a friend of his named ROY COHN, and\nwould be back in touch with him. BROSHEARS was charged with\nsexual molestation of a boy 17 years old named WILLIAM GORGEOUS:\nBROSHEARS said that this boy had come to the door of his apart-\nment on November 8th. The boy had asked him to help him with\nreligious and sexual problems which he said he had. REV.\nBROSHEARS stated that he had talked with the boy, but had never\ntouched him in any way. BROSHEARS said that the charge had\nbeen filed, and according to the records was recorded at 10:30\na.m. on the 10th of November which was before his arrest, and\nbefore the sit-in which he staged on the 11th. BROSHEARS said\nthat the Chief of Police said, \"Boy, we are your friends, and\nwe are going to make it easy on you. Sign this paper and you 11\nget 2 days in jail and then we 11 let you go.\" A half an hour\nlater they brought him a statement to sign. It was a statement\nof admission to the charges. BROSHEARS signed that paper without\nhaving been re-contacted by MR. RANDOLF or the attorney.\nBROSHEARS said that he had originally refused to sign the paper\nuntil the policemen who were speaking to him brought in a copy\nof a newspaper which had the headline \"Bellville Minister\nArrested-Sexual Perversion Charged\". BROSHEARS became hysterical\nand signed all of the papers which the officers requested.\nFifteen minutes later Mr. RANDOLF came with MR. COHN. Both said\nthat they knew that he had been forced to sign the paper, but\nthat nothing could be done at that time. BROSHEARS was in\nMINARD State Penitentiary for the following six months. BROSHEARS\nsaid that after he was. discharged, he went to New Orleans and\nworked at a carnival under the name RAYMOND ALLEN. At the\ncarnival he was known as \"CORKY\". BROSHEARS said that he could\nnot find any other employment as a result of his prior arrest\nand incarceration. BROSHEARS said that he then went to work\nfor an organization called \"Deacons For The Defense of Justice\"\nin Bogalousa, Louisiana.\n-6-\nWhen we asked REV. BROSHEARS if he felt that DAVID\nFERRIE worked for \"Deacons for Defense and Justice\".\nAs a result of his appearance on the Los Angeles\ntelevision program on the 8th of July, 1968, BROSHEARS was\nvisited by Secret Service Agent TOM HORN. BROSHEARS was told\nthat he would lose his pension if he appeared on another such\ntelevion program. BRQSHEARS was threatened by Agent HORN, and\nwas told that he would \"end up in Alameda Bay\" if he did not\nkeep his mouth shut. BROSHEARS said that he was in constant\ntouch with Agent JOE CONLIN from the Federal Bureau of Investi-\ngation Office in Long Beach. He also said that he was in touch\nwith a LT. JOHN COWAN of the Long Beach Police Department and\nalso SGT. CHARLES USERY of that police department. SGT. USERY,\naccording to BROSHEARS, has knowledge about the murder of a\nreporter which took place in the Long Beach Police Department.\nThe reporter's name was BILL HUNTER from Dallas, Texas.\nTwo Long Beach Police Department intelligence detectives\nhave also befriended BROSHEARS for the purpose, he believes, of\nPink is\nkeeping an eye on him. These are GARY COVIN and JOHN OWEN.\nWhen we asked if REV. BROSHEARS knew a DR. THOMAS.\nBECKHAM, BROSHEARS stated that he did indeed know DR. BECKHAM,\nthat he had corresponded with DR. BECKHAM, and produced a\nphotograph of BECKHAM in which he was shown as an entertainer.\nThe personal management office of BECKHAM was listed under the\nname of FRED LEE CRISMAN.\nOther information which BROSHEARS gave us in response\nto several questions was:\nA) BROSHEARS had been extremely upset because Agent RUFUS\nYOUNGBLOOD of the Secret Service Office had told him in\nthe last week of March, 1966, that DAVID FERRIE was dead.\nThis was before BROSHEARS left Gulfport Hospital. YOUNGBLOOD\nhad told him that DAVID FERRIE had committed suicide, and\nthat therefore it would not be necessary for BROSHEARS to\never try and find FERRIE again.\nIt was not until just prior to\nour meeting on Wednesday, July 23, 1968, that BROSHEARS had\nlearned of FERRIE's death in January of 1967. BROSHEARS said\nthat he had obviously been told falsely that FERRIE had died\nby Agent YOUNGBLOOD.\nB) BROSHEARS said that DAVID FERRIE had friends and family in\nCincinnati, Ohio.\nc) We explained that Garrison's investigation had not begun\nuntil November of 1966, and that therefore the men who had\nrepresented themselves as being from the District Attorney's\nOffice in 1965 had represented themselves falsely. BROSHEARS\nsaid, \"These weren't Garrison's men in DAVID's hotel room.\"\nBROSHEARS asked us if we knew the name ROBERT DUVALL (spelling\nunsure). He said DAVID flew him to one of the Central\nAmerican countries, and was sexually intimate with him.\n-7-\nE) DAVID FERRIE told BROSHEARS that LEE HARVEY OSWALD had\nbeen a bi-sexual. BROSHEARS had seen and identification\nbracelet with the name LEE on it, and also a grey or beige\nhunter's hat which was in possession of DAVID FERRIE.\nF) FERRIE had told BROSHEARS that Officer TIPPIT was sent to\nmurder LEE HARVEY OSWALD because LEE HARVEY OSWALD had\ninfiltrated a \"cell\" for the FBI. FERRIE told BROSHEARS\nthat OSWALD had gone to Russia in connection with work for\nthe FBI. FERRIE also told BROSHEARS that the Central\nIntelligence Agency and the FBI hated each other and worked\nagainst each other.\nG) FERRIE told BROSHEARS that three people worked in the Texas\nSchool Book Depository, and composed the \"cell\" which had\nbeen infiltrated by LEE HARVEY OSWALD. BROSHEARS said that\none of their names was BoB, but that he knew not the last\nname. FERRIE had told BROSHEARS that JACK RUBY was also\ninvolved with these people who worked in the TSBD. It was\nBOB, according to FERRIE, that was supposed to kill OSWALD\nin the Book Depository.\nH) FERRIE told BROSHEARS that he had met JACK RUBY in New Orleans.\nI) REV. BROSHEARS gave Mark Lane a letter (see attached) which\nrequests that Mark Lane visit and consult with him in the\nevent that he is ever arrested or taken into custody, or\nplaced in an institution.\n-8-\nE) DAVID FERRIE told BROSHEARS that LEE HARVEY OSWALD had\nbeen a bi-sexual. BROSHEARS had seen and identification\nbracelet with the name LEE on it, and also a grey or beige\nhunter's hat which was in possession of DAVID FERRIE\nF) FERRIE had told BROSHEARS that Officer TIPPIT was sent to\nmurder LEE HARVEY OSWALD because LEE HARVEY OSWALD had\ninfiltrated a \"cell\" for the FBI. FERRIE told BROSHEARS\nthat OSWALD had gone to Russia in connection with work for\nthe FBI. FERRIE also told BROSHEARS that the Central\nIntelligence Agency and the FBI hated each other and worked\nagainst each other.\nG) FERRIE told BROSHEARS that three people worked in the Texas\nSchool Book Depository, and composed the \"cell\" which had\nbeen infiltrated by LEE HARVEY OSWALD. BROSHEARS said that\none of their names was BoB, but that he knew not the last\nname. FERRIE had told BROSHEARS that JACK RUBY was also\ninvolved with these people who worked in the TSBD. It was\nBOB, according to FERRIE, tha t was supposed to kill OSWALD\nin the Book Depository.\nH) FERRIE told BROSHEARS that he had met JACK RUBY in New Orleans.\nI) REV. BROSHEARS gave Mark Lane a letter (see attached) which\nrequests that Mark Lane visit and consult with him in the\nevent that he is ever arrested or taken into custody, or\nplaced in an institution.\n-8-\nJhurch of Code Might\n\"A LIGHTHOUSE OF TRUTH\"\nLONG BEACH, CALIFORNIA\nJuly 27, 1968\nTo:Mr. Mark Lane\n617 Dauphine Street\nNew Orleans, Ia,\nFrom:Rev. Raymond Broshears\n725 Orange Avenue\nLong Beach, CA 90313\nP.O. Box 1027\nLong Beach, CA 90301\nRe:Visitation\nSir;\nShould I at anytime become ill or I am Jailed for any reason,\nat whatever location, I sincerely request that you, and your designated represena-\ntive, please come to visit me, no matter how critical the illness or serious\nthe situation,\nROW Reverend Raymond Broshears\nOFFICE OF THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY\nSTATE OF LOUIS-IANA\nPARISH OF ORLEANS\nApril 18, 1967\nSTATEMENT OF:\nDAVID F. GENTRY\n922 Dumaine Street\nNew Orleans, Louisiana\nINTERROGATED\nBY:\nOFFICERS KENT SIMMS and CLIENCY NAVARRE\nIN RE:\nDR. MARY SHERMAN and\nSPECIAL INVESTIGATION\nDr. SHERMAN camein the shop I would say\noccasionally, not frequently, but I can look up on the ledger\nand see. She never made any extensive or large purchases. I\nwas never in her apartment. If she ever came to the shop with\nanyone, it was possibly with someone who lived in the same\napartment complex in which she lived. Probably the entire time\nshe lived at 3101 St. Charles Avenue she came in the shop, and\nshe was in the shop the late afternoon before she was murdered.\nI do not know any of her friends.\nI don't recall my first meeting with CLAY SHAW.\nHowever, it was probably in '58 or '59. The original interest in\nmeeting was through business at the International Trade Mart\nand the possibility of purchasing and restoring Vieux Carre\nproperty myself. I am a designer of interiors and interior\nfurnishings and I am also Director of the Oriental Gallery at\nthe 20th Century Shop. One other person that I do know through\nthe International Trade Mart and CLAY SHAW, is J. B. DAUENHAUER.\nBut only through the Trade Mart and through CLAY do I know J. B.\nI moved to 4919 Magazine Street in February of\n1961. I don't recall, or don't know the date that OSWALD moved\ninto 4907 Magazine Street. I never had occasion to speak to him\n(OSWALD) but passed him on several occasions going to Rex Layndry\nand Dry-cleaners. I don't recall ever seeing him untidy or with\na beard. Then on December 15th of 1964, I moved back to the\nQuarter.\nThe Sunday before Mardi Gras of 1965, CLAY\nattended a buffet party that afternoon in my apartment at 619\nGov. Nichols. After moving back to the Quarter, I did see CLAY\npassing on the street, or once in a while at the Coffee Shop\nRestaurant on St. Peter next to Pat O'Brien's. I can't recall\nthe number of times that I have. Not that frequently. But there\nhave been times I have been in CLAY's apartment for drinks. It\nwas at 1313 or 1331 Dauphine. I am not sure. The first few\ntimes it was just for drinks. The gathering that would have been\n-1-\ntermed a party, if I recall correctly, was in October of ' 66 on a\nSunday afternoon. As I say, there was a gentleman there that was\nSpanish, or Cuban, or Latin. He could even have been Mexican as\nfar as that goes. He was about 53 years, 6'2\", almost, but not\nas tall as CLAY. He weighed about 175 lbs, ruddy complexion, and\nI think he did have a mustache. If I recall correctly, he had\na rather full head of hair with some grey, which he parted. I am\npretty sure his hair was parted. He had no scars. He had a\nname?\nSpanish accent. There was also a younger person that had painted\nCLAY's apartment and he was to do some work for this gentleman.\nHe was doing painting for these people and he was supposedly an\nartist or writer. CLAY's apartment had just been completed being\npainted. This young man had painted the apartment for CLAY and\nwas to do some work for the older man. This younger person was\nin his early 20's. There were some 8 to 12 people at this party\nbut I can't recall their names.\nQ.\nDid you know any of these people personally?\nA.\nI knew several of them. Just a \"Hello\" acquain-\ntance, not personally. There were some there\nwhose names I knew, but I can't recall.\nQ.\nDid the name SERGIO ring a bell?\nA.\nIt could have been this person I am describing at\nthis party, but I am not positive.\nQ.\nI show you a picture of SERGIO ARCACHA SMITH,\ncould this be the fellow you described as a\nSpanish-type individual at the party?\nA.\nNo, because he is much more lean than the person\nin this picture, and older. In other words, his\nface was a lean as yours (SIMMS), and if I recall\ncorrectly, the hair was longer and more full than\nthat. CLAY knew a lot of Spanish and Mexican\npeople. It didn't seem unusual for them to be\nthere. He knew them from the Quarter, from the\nTrade Mart and from Mexico.\nAfter the party, I went to another party around\n7:00 o'clock. I went to CLAY's around 5:00 and left around 7:00.\nI think this was in October. Being at two parties the same even-\ning, it is hard to remember who was where. (Shown picture of\nSpanish and other people, and referring to AL BEAUBOUEF) This\ncould have been the person who painted CLAY's apartment and was\nto do some work for the Spanish person.\nFirst-hand, I know nothing of CLAY's personal or\nsexual life, but maybe he has made some remark of someone he has\nmet; that he thought the person was very attractive or something\nlike that. I can't recall him saying he ever went to bed with\nsome person, but he did mention to me his liking of men. It is\nrelatively common knowledge among friends. I know nothing first-\nhand of his private life, but he did say something about liking\nmen. He never mentioned anyone specifically.\n-2-\nLet me see that picture again. The one I saw\nbefore. This person I know. JERRY WINTERS, is that his name?\nQ.\nAre you a homosexual?\nA:\nI would rather be termed bi-sexual. I have had\nsex with both sexes. I was married for 5½¹/2 years;\nI had 2 children; I have had sex with women before\nI married and since then.\nQ.\nI show you a picture of a single person dressed\nin a sailor outfit, can you identify this picture?\n1\nA.\nIt appears to be a person I know as JERRY WINTERS\nwho worked for Nunez Employment Agency about 3\nyears ago, I think. He lives, or did live on\nJosephine Street or somewhere up in that area.\nI know nothing about him personally.\nQ.\nDo you ever recall CLAY SHAW having a room-mate?\nA\nI think many years ago a JEFF BITTERSON lived with\nhim. I think this was many years ago, I am not\nsure. I would think - I think he is \"gay\".\nQ.\nDo you know what type of work JEFF BITTERSON\ndid?\nA.\nAs far as I know, he always sold real estate. He\nworked for Marylin Tate. I know, because MARGIE\nO\"DAIR who works in the office is a good friend\nof mine.\nIDENTIFICATION OF PERSONS IN PHOTOGRAPHS:\n(Reading from left to right in all photos)\nPHOTO NO. 26:\n3rd - LENNY FRANK - in a Hawaiian sarong, lei and sandals.\n4th - LEE (somebody) - in cape and sequined toga.\n5th - I have seen him, but I can't recall his name. I think he\nis a hairdresser.\n6th - I can't recall the name. He lives now on 1023 or in the\nvicinity of St. Ann. His first name may be HOWARD.\nPHOTO NO. 27A:\nFirst ROW:\n2nd - I think his name is CHRIS. He works for the Times-Picayune.\n4th -- This fellow looks almost like the Spanish person I am\ntalking about.\n5th - HERBIE TROSCLAIR - He is a hairdresser and lives on Bourbon\nover the Bourbon House which would be 7 something.\n-3-\n9th - C. M. DAVIS who resides at Chartres and Explanade.\nBack ROW:\n5th - DON (somebody). He is a school teacher.\n7th - TOMMY HERFORD, or something like that.\n11th- TRACY (somebody)\nPHOTO NO. 27B:\n1st - JOE JOE LANDRY. He lives right across the street from me.\n5th - CLAUDE DUGAS.\n6th - DOUG JONES. He lives on Carrollton and I think he has a\nprinting company.\n7th - JAMES ELSEY. He is an interior designer for Nu-Idea.\n8th - Is connected with Nu-Idea also.\nPHOTO NO. 27C:\nBack Row:\n2dn - JIMMY SCHEXNAIDER - He is a designer for Hemenway's. Also\nin that picture is LEE somebody and LENNY FRANK.\nPHOTO NO. 27D:\n1st - right end -- is called POLLY PONTCHARTRAIN, but I think his\nname is --- I can't recall it. I don't know.\nPHOTO NO. 27E:\n4th - JEAN PIERRE SCHWEITZER - He works at Nahan Galleries on\nLouisiana.\n5th - LOU or LOUIS TUCKER.\n6th - I can't recall his name. He lived upstairs from me on\nMagazine Street. I don't think he knew OSWALD because\nhe had just moved in and didn't stay there for very\nlong. He moved into the Quarter.\nPHOTO NO. 27F:\n1st - They called him \"Mousey\", but I don't know his real name.\n4th - WELDON -- I can't recall his name. He is Display Director\nfor Gus Mayer.\n5th - He works for \"This Week in New Orleans\". I know because he\nhas been in the shop many times. I know the name but\nI can't recall it.\n-4-\nPHOTO NO. 27F - Continued:\nBack ROW:\n4th - I know he is a friend of CLAY's. If he is not now working.\nat the London Shop, he did work there and he lived on\nGov. Nichols. CLAY, J. B. DAUENHAUER and this fellow\nknew each other.\n6th - JOEY BARCELONA He works for Permanent Foliage on St.\nClaude Avenue.\nPHOTO NO. 27G:\nBack ROW:\n1st - CARLOS (somebody). He is from Cuba and he lives on Barracks\nwith OTTO STERLE.\n7th - DAVID BAILEY - He lives on St. Peter Street.\nPHOTO NO. 27H:\nThis person I have seen but I don't know his name.\nThe articles, such as a cape and pieces of chain, that'\nwere taken from his (SHAW's) apartment, were SHAW's Mardi Gras\ncostume he has worn for the past few years.\nI don't know, have never seen, or been introduced to\nFERRIE.\nI don't know LAYTON MARTENS, but I saw him in the\nneighbornood of the 4900 block of Magazine. I was of the opinion\nthat his father rented a room across the street, and I was of the\nopinion that he (MARTENS) visited his father. This was at the\ntime I lived on Magazine Street.\nThe last time that I recall seeing CLAY SHAW was two\nSundays before Mardi Gras 1967, and we happened to bump into each\nother on Royal Street and stood together and watched a parade for\na time. At that time, I did invite him to the annual buffet I\ngive the Sunday before Mardi Gras, but he didn't attend this year.\nQ.\nBefore '63, did you attend any parties at CLAY SHAW's?\nA.\nNo. He also lived on Dauphine Street then, about the\n500 block. I don't think I was in his apartment before\n1301 Dauphine.\n-5-\nQ.\nFrom reading the newspapers and reading the names of\npersons involved in the probe, do you recall knowing\nany of these other people.\nA.\nI thought I recognized him (LAYTON MARTENS) as being a\nperson I recognized on Magazine Street, but any other\nnames have no familiar ring.\nQ.\nIf need be, would you be willing to take a lie detector\ntest in regard to this matter?\nA.\nYes.\nDAVID F. GENTRY\n-6-\n-9-\nSince the \"Tague Chip\" in the curb would line up\nwith either floor (seventh or second) it does not\neffect this observation. The angle of trajectory\nDal-Tex\nwould, most probably, suggest the second floor be-\nBuilding\ntween the two drawing a point fromuthe window through\nConclusion\nthe President's head to the \"Tague chip\". All of these\nobservations do not rule out the possibility of a\nfloor somewhere between the second and the seventh in\nthe Dal-Tex Building having been the \"nest\" of the\nassassin. I was able to take these pictures because\nof the very cooperative ladies who are the secretaries\nin the front officesof the second floor and because\nthere was some sort of office party on the Seventh floor\nand I was not noticed. I wonder now what kind of office\nparty they would have on November 22, 1967 at about 11:30 AM.\nSince the film did not come out on this building I withhold\nmy conclusions about this until later although I have\nalways felt and still do, that there was at least one shot\nfired from this building.\nc) Fromtthe Texas School Book Depository Building I was\nable to take some film and a few stills on the third\nfloor. A rather kind secretary allowed me to do this\nalthough it is against the strictest regulations. On\nthe fourth floor, the highest floor to which the elevator\nwill ascend even though five (incl. the \"5\") are on the\nTSBD\npush-button control panal in the elevator. The fourth\nFindings\nfloor people are well trained and told me to leave the\nbuilding. Then I went to the third. I was also able to\nget into the back stairway by an \"EXIT\" door. This is\nthe stairway Oswald allegedly used. Walking up to the\nfourth floor one finds that the door to continue to the\nfifth floor is completely blocked. Boxes are stacked in\nfront of it as if it was never intended to be a door; and\nto anyone who didn't know it was there it would not be\nvisible. The freight elevator is only twenty feet, at most,\nfrom the stairway marked \"EXIT\" I was able to take some\nphotos and some film of the loading docks on both the\nSouth (Dealy Plaza) side of the TSBD and the rear or\nHouston St. side. There are two docks. The small street\nthat runs parallel to Elm St. above (north of) the Cement\nPergola not only services the truck entrance for the load-\ning dock but also has a back entrance (from the Railroad\nyards to the TSBD) leading out of a make-shift garage. The\nphotos I send you on this will be much more self explana-\ntory than my description.\nd) My findings were along the lines of escape which would\nhave been easily possible from both the Dal-Tex and the\nTexas School Book Depository Buildings. The rear loading\ndocks of both buildings empty onto a point several feet\nnorth up Houston St. from the intersection at Elm St.\nA car coming from the parking lot behind the wooden fence"
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