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Amb. Scali - Secretary Kissinger
November 1, 1973
4:20 p. m.
S:
going to talk to Tekoah but I wanted to talk to you before
I talk with him. I wanted to ask you whether or not you would
conceivably change your mind on Indonesia. They are the most
responsible people up here, the most responsible by far.
K: I don't see how we can hold this line. Why don't you talk to
the Israelis, but we can't be beaten to death by the UN people while
the Israelis are beating us to death, saying we are betraying them and
we have so many fish to fry.
S: There will be of necessity about half a dozen vetos
for special
circumstances. AFricans need representation. If we skip the Indon-
esians, who are with the peace force in VietNam, and by all standards
the most objective of the non-aligned
I can veto until the COWS
come home.
K:
wait until you talk to Tekoah.
S: Just isn't going to seell because of
If you can give me Indonesia
because they are by far the most responsible. They have talked about
the practical need to get along with both parties. Amb. Sani is the
only guy we've gotten any support from, if you skip him and go only
withNepal it just isn't going tofly.
S: We are being driven from one impossible position to another by
tactical exigencies. It's absurd to ha e forces one of whose members
is opposed to
S: I can say that we will veto the composition of this force.
Came up
40 times this morning in what was a violent closed door meeting; Indonesians
only ones not in on this.
K: That's going to be our fate on alot of things.
S: Sure it is but I wonder if there isn't any give on Indonesia, since
you know what they are like
.
K: When do you have to know?
S: In the next 45 minutes.
K: OK, I'll have Eagleburger call yal.
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